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Funny, I didn't even notice this and I imagine many others didn't either. If anything this shows how poorly MS markets Edge. Technically, its a fork of IE, but

Funny, I didn't even notice this and I imagine many others didn't either. If anything this shows how poorly MS markets Edge. Technically, its a fork of IE, but even then, MS still seems unable to separate its products. This must greatly be hurting adoption, thus the heavy handed tactics here. Nadella needs to be dragged over the coals for this. The OS has now become hostile. The number of steps to change your default browser is inexcusable and the constant whining to switch back should be actionable. Sadly, with a GOP administration at the helm, I think further anti-trust efforts on MS, or any big company, are probably not politically practical.

Arizhel 10y ago
The only way the situation is going to change is if people start voting with their feet. There's no indication they're going to do that, because it's not convenient, so since they insist on continuing to use this product they complain about incessantly, they're going to continue to suffer with it. I for one have no sympathy for them at all. Nadella doesn't need to be "dragged over the coals". He should be given a huge bonus if this is increasing MS's profits. And MS should jack up their prices even more so they can give him even bigger bonuses. If society is stupid enough to enable this, then society deserves to pay the price.
- drzaiusapelord 10y ago
  MS has been steadily losing desktop and server marketshare and is a complete non-player in mobile. Its xbox divsion is a money loser too. Its income is mostly enterprise licensing and even that is being eaten by the cloud. Win10 was an opportunity to win back the OSX switchers and people who are happy with just Win7 and not looking to upgrade. If it wasn't free the marketshare for Win10 would be in the pits. MS is literally giving away its OS. Nadella doesn't know what he's doing. >He should be given a huge bonus if this is increasing MS's profits. In any sane company he would have been fired by now.
  - Arizhel 10y ago
    Marketshare is really irrelevant. The only important measure of a company's performance is profit. If a company is making more profit now than last year, that's a success, regardless of everything else. The marketshare thing is really silly: if the market expands in size 10-fold, but your sales increase 2-fold (assuming pricing stays the same), meaning you're doubly profitable, and somehow that's a "loss" because marketshare is lower? That's just plain idiotic. Yes, MS is a loser in mobile devices; it doesn't matter because they were never very profitable there anyway. Desktop and server marketshare losses can be mitigated with higher pricing and other revenue opportunities (such as advertising). I don't have the actual numbers handy, so I can't say whether MS is actually more or less profitable than before, but I suspect it's more. The point is, what are their actual profits? If they're making more money, then this focus on marketshare is pointless. Money is money. >MS is literally giving away its OS. Nadella doesn't know what he's doing. Giving away Win10 is the correct choice IF it makes them more money (through advertising, selling collected data, etc.). Furthermore, the competition is giving away their OSes. Perhaps MS sees that it can make more money by getting consumers to switch to Win10 with data collection and advertising than by trying to charge them for it and getting less uptake. >In any sane company he would have been fired by now. Why? Do you have any proof that his actions have actually decreased profits? If not, then your assertions are meaningless.
NetStrikeForce 10y ago
Good points! however in my experience changing the default browser is not difficult at all... Chrome asked me the first time if I wanted to (and I obliged :P), Firefox keeps asking about it, etc

Arizhel 10y ago

The only way the situation is going to change is if people start voting with their feet. There's no indication they're going to do that, because it's not convenient, so since they insist on continuing to use this product they complain about incessantly, they're going to continue to suffer with it. I for one have no sympathy for them at all. Nadella doesn't need to be "dragged over the coals". He should be given a huge bonus if this is increasing MS's profits. And MS should jack up their prices even more so they can give him even bigger bonuses. If society is stupid enough to enable this, then society deserves to pay the price.

drzaiusapelord 10y ago
MS has been steadily losing desktop and server marketshare and is a complete non-player in mobile. Its xbox divsion is a money loser too. Its income is mostly enterprise licensing and even that is being eaten by the cloud. Win10 was an opportunity to win back the OSX switchers and people who are happy with just Win7 and not looking to upgrade. If it wasn't free the marketshare for Win10 would be in the pits. MS is literally giving away its OS. Nadella doesn't know what he's doing. >He should be given a huge bonus if this is increasing MS's profits. In any sane company he would have been fired by now.
- Arizhel 10y ago
  Marketshare is really irrelevant. The only important measure of a company's performance is profit. If a company is making more profit now than last year, that's a success, regardless of everything else. The marketshare thing is really silly: if the market expands in size 10-fold, but your sales increase 2-fold (assuming pricing stays the same), meaning you're doubly profitable, and somehow that's a "loss" because marketshare is lower? That's just plain idiotic. Yes, MS is a loser in mobile devices; it doesn't matter because they were never very profitable there anyway. Desktop and server marketshare losses can be mitigated with higher pricing and other revenue opportunities (such as advertising). I don't have the actual numbers handy, so I can't say whether MS is actually more or less profitable than before, but I suspect it's more. The point is, what are their actual profits? If they're making more money, then this focus on marketshare is pointless. Money is money. >MS is literally giving away its OS. Nadella doesn't know what he's doing. Giving away Win10 is the correct choice IF it makes them more money (through advertising, selling collected data, etc.). Furthermore, the competition is giving away their OSes. Perhaps MS sees that it can make more money by getting consumers to switch to Win10 with data collection and advertising than by trying to charge them for it and getting less uptake. >In any sane company he would have been fired by now. Why? Do you have any proof that his actions have actually decreased profits? If not, then your assertions are meaningless.

NetStrikeForce 10y ago

Good points! however in my experience changing the default browser is not difficult at all... Chrome asked me the first time if I wanted to (and I obliged :P), Firefox keeps asking about it, etc