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As someone who was born into a bottom 20% family and went to a supposed "Ivy Plus/Elite College" this is not shocking to me at all. The culture shock for me per
by tabeth 10y ago
As someone who was born into a bottom 20% family and went to a supposed "Ivy Plus/Elite College" this is not shocking to me at all. The culture shock for me personally was amazing. In particular, I'll never forget when some students wanted to go to Asia of all places for a 4 day weekend.
Though I've personally benefited from diversity recruiting for low income, first in family to go to college, etc. I still believe the solution is to fix K-12. In particular, Boston is an example of there being great higher education, but terrible public schools.
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Short of that, I would recommend for the following actions:
1. Anonymous interviewing for all companies, mandatory. Let's be honest, those attending elite schools are the biggest beneficiaries of "discriminatory recruiting." Oh, except, not if you're the stereotypical beneficiary of affirmative action [1] (ironic because really white women are those who benefit the most [2]). The idea here is to level the playing field. I imagine most resistance to this will come from people who went to schools similar to mine.
2. Banning of private schools. This probably won't happen, but private schools simply perpetuate the problems with access. How is it that rich cities like Boston, New York, Chicago and San Francisco have terrible school systems? Don't get me wrong, this isn't THE solution, there's still the rich suburb effect [3]. Practically, this probably wouldn't work. Those in control generally either live in rich suburbs or send their kid to private school. It would take one heck of a politician to pull this off.
3. Affirmative action should now be implemented at the beginning, not at the end. Helping people who already succeeded is unnecessary for real change, and expensive. Not to mention it's cheaper and more effective [4]. The tin-foil hat in me says that people wouldn't want this to happen, simply because it'd produce better competition. Affirmative action at the end is more tame.
4. More advocacy of college alternatives. Personally, I went to a two-year college and transferred to an "Ivy Plus/Elite College" in order to not pay loans. Ironically, that was not necessary since they paid for everything anyway, but hey, I didn't know that. For many, college loans are just entrapment [5]. Two year college is a factor to help mitigate the pain, in the short term [6].
5. Complete banning of for-profit school. There's already been movement in this direction, with the prevention of enrollment of students with federal aid to ITT. [7]
I have many more ideas about this, but unfortunately things are very complicated. The intersection between the economy, parenting, culture, the government as well as racism, discrimination and access make it very difficult to propose a general solution.
I disagree with my own advice above depending on the city, and the circumstances. Ultimately, this is too tough a problem to solve merely with broad strokes, but I do believe the sentiment "fix K-12" summarizes my view.
[1] https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/06/elite-college-degrees-give-black-graduates-little-advantage-job-market https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/06/elite-college...
[2] http://ideas.time.com/2013/06/17/affirmative-action-has-helped-white-women-more-than-anyone/ http://ideas.time.com/2013/06/17/affirmative-action-has-help...
[3] http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/09/even-if-private-schools-didnt-exist-there-would-still-be-rich-suburbs/279295/ http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/09/even-if-...
[4] http://thefederalist.com/2016/06/24/we-wouldnt-need-affirmative-action-if-k-12-schools-actually-worked/ http://thefederalist.com/2016/06/24/we-wouldnt-need-affirmat...
[5] https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/08/upshot/student-debt-is-worse-than-you-think.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/08/upshot/student-debt-is-wo...
[6] http://www.scholarsstrategynetwork.org/brief/make-first-two-years-college-free-cost-effective-way-expand-access-higher-education-america http://www.scholarsstrategynetwork.org/brief/make-first-two-...
[7] http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Education/2016/0828/For-profit-college-banned-from-accepting-students-with-federal-aid http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Education/2016/0828/For-profit-...
- RestlessMind 10y agoIf you want affirmative action to be implemented at the beginning, why not take that thought further and discourage someone from producing kids when they are not yet ready to be parents? Honestly, government help is definitely necessary to help the less privileged kids. But it is by no means sufficient if the home environment is broken and parents don't have time to develop their children.
- tabeth 10y agoI don't believe that's necessary. Education already promotes not having kids, or at least waiting. [1][2] What you propose is also politically impossible (I completely agree, in theory, however). We already know how challenging the abortion and sex education issue has been. Proper sex education (and K-12, generally) will implicitly implement what you're suggesting. [1] http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/9/education-level-inversely-related-to-childbearing/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/9/education-lev... [2] http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/02/lets-not-panic-over-women-with-more-education-having-fewer-kids/273070/ http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/02/lets-not-pa...
- WildUtah 10y agoEducation promotes smart people not having kids, especially smart women. But it doesn't diminish in any way the dumb people. If you have no intention of getting an education or supporting yourself in the modern world, a tougher education system with higher standards won't discourage your reproduction.
- cmurf 10y agoI think at least as much effort on poverty needs to happen as fixing K-12. Already by the time kids enter kindergarten, there's a massive effect of poverty; and it persists through K-12 even in the form of who eats what kind of food and how. Very basic. I like the way the French do food with kids in school. Kids eat lunch at school. They do not bring sack lunches, and they don't get to leave for lunch. All of them have access to the same food, and kids experiment with foods from an early age.