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I feel I should point out you can't hold up MacOS/OSX as an alternative to Win10 to avoid A company telling you how to use a computer. That is very much Apple'

I feel I should point out you can't hold up MacOS/OSX as an alternative to Win10 to avoid A company telling you how to use a computer. That is very much Apple's ballgame. If you don't want an opinionated OS you are going to end up using Linux. Yet commenters will still jump down my throat b/c a single distro does something they dislike.

shakna 10y ago
In some ways, yes. However, OSX: * Accepts I don't want Safari as my default browser * Will let me disable Siri without breaking core functionality * Doesn't inject adverts into my GUI * Will let me turn off telemetry
- RealCasually 10y ago
  In my experience, macOS has similar tricks. I got notifications for "Discover Safari!" even though Chrome was my default browser. Similarly, I got repeated prompts to upgrade to Sierra, which is just as much an "ad" as what you describe.
- WayneBro 10y ago
  Try avoiding Apples App Store. You can't do it. They integrated with the OS updates. So every time you open it you have to see ads. At least with Wndows I can turn all of the crap off (and I have). I have zero problems with Windows because I configured it the way that I want. Isn't that the same thing you do with any OS? If I don't like something I turn it off or replace it with a third-party tool. Big deal. Do you know how much time I have spent on my Mac and Linux boxes to configure them the way that I want? Way, way more time than I ever spent on Windows.
  - shakna 10y ago
    I do turn it off. Updates turn it back on. That is precisely the big deal. Because many people can't fix it when that happens. So they'll either infect their PC looking for a solution, or be told what they need, and how to do it. By the way, updates are also linked to the Windows Store.
    - WayneBro 10y ago
      Turn what off? Be more specific please. Telemetry? You can set it to basic unless you are on Windows Enterprise. If you are trying to do anything else you are doing it wrong.
      - Thrillington 10y ago
        Basic != Off
        WayneBro 10y ago
        OK, but... Off != Supported. If you're doing unsupported things and then complaining about how it's not working out for you, then you're doing it wrong. Also, Basic gives Microsoft slightly more information than your browser leaks to every website you visit. Big fucking deal. Furthermore, if you're going to do something that is unsupported, do it the right way and get a tool that is dedicated to the task which is run by a team that constantly keeps it up to date - https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/ https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/ - at the very least, if you don't trust Spybot, figure out what that tool is doing and do it yourself. If you install Anti-Beacon, you'll see that there is an option to "Refresh immunization" for the changes it applies after each reboot.
- dv_dt 10y ago
  Apple is getting increasingly annoying/insistent with iCloud with each update...

shakna 10y ago

In some ways, yes. However, OSX: * Accepts I don't want Safari as my default browser * Will let me disable Siri without breaking core functionality * Doesn't inject adverts into my GUI * Will let me turn off telemetry

RealCasually 10y ago
In my experience, macOS has similar tricks. I got notifications for "Discover Safari!" even though Chrome was my default browser. Similarly, I got repeated prompts to upgrade to Sierra, which is just as much an "ad" as what you describe.
WayneBro 10y ago
Try avoiding Apples App Store. You can't do it. They integrated with the OS updates. So every time you open it you have to see ads. At least with Wndows I can turn all of the crap off (and I have). I have zero problems with Windows because I configured it the way that I want. Isn't that the same thing you do with any OS? If I don't like something I turn it off or replace it with a third-party tool. Big deal. Do you know how much time I have spent on my Mac and Linux boxes to configure them the way that I want? Way, way more time than I ever spent on Windows.
- shakna 10y ago
  I do turn it off. Updates turn it back on. That is precisely the big deal. Because many people can't fix it when that happens. So they'll either infect their PC looking for a solution, or be told what they need, and how to do it. By the way, updates are also linked to the Windows Store.
  - WayneBro 10y ago
    Turn what off? Be more specific please. Telemetry? You can set it to basic unless you are on Windows Enterprise. If you are trying to do anything else you are doing it wrong.
    - Thrillington 10y ago
      Basic != Off
      - WayneBro 10y ago
        OK, but... Off != Supported. If you're doing unsupported things and then complaining about how it's not working out for you, then you're doing it wrong. Also, Basic gives Microsoft slightly more information than your browser leaks to every website you visit. Big fucking deal. Furthermore, if you're going to do something that is unsupported, do it the right way and get a tool that is dedicated to the task which is run by a team that constantly keeps it up to date - https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/ https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/ - at the very least, if you don't trust Spybot, figure out what that tool is doing and do it yourself. If you install Anti-Beacon, you'll see that there is an option to "Refresh immunization" for the changes it applies after each reboot.
dv_dt 10y ago
Apple is getting increasingly annoying/insistent with iCloud with each update...