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Apparently our friends at Mozcolonslashslasha don't realize how many more important things they could be working on than this.

by nstr10 10y ago

onion2k 10y ago
Of course they do, and that work continued while other people worked on the rebranding. Also, and more importantly, maintaining an up-to-date brand keeps Mozilla relevant and (hopefully) stops them looking like a throwback to a past era (like, say, Yahoo!). Mozilla needs to do many things to remain an important force on the web. Keeping it's brand is one aspect of that work.
reitanqild 10y ago
They are very aware it seems based on my observations over the last few years and while I don't agree with everything they do I defend their right to spend a tiny fraction of their time on a logo. - after all it seems logo, ui and pixel polish etc matters a whole lot more to a lot of people than it does to me so it might be well worth updating. Me? As long as extensions work and they don't copy too much more (bad imo) ideas like hidden menus and hamburger from Chrome and Mac they are still easily my favourite. Oh, and they have created a new systems programming language that has managed to exite me and a lot of others here on the northeastern side of the Internet.
StevePerkins 10y ago
People keep talking about Mozilla like it's the engineering wing of the EFF, that it's tirelessly working on a mission of Internet freedom, etc. I'm sorry, but I just don't see it. I see: (1) a team of developers, incrementally maintaining a codebase that that was donated by a 1990's commercial entity, and (2) some second-tier marketing types, burning through Google/Yahoo money and padding their resumes with random "me too" projects that don't last very long. The flagship browser has only had one major re-think since Netscape's demise, and that re-think was, "We should make its UI and dev cycle look like Chrome's". The most significant "new" project dreamed up by the marketing types was a me-too Android alternative, which they then almost immediately canceled. The only noteworthy and truly innovative things I can think of coming out of Mozilla have been Rust and Persona, and the latter was also quickly canceled (which was a shame since it's the only example I can think of that REALLY fits the mission statement they talk about). I'm glad that Firefox is out there to prevent a Google monopoly, and I'm glad that Rust has a financial patron since it's a pretty interesting language. But if Mozilla want to be seen as some greater "force for Internet freedom", beyond just maintaining an dated and declining web browser, then a logo change won't be enough. Actually DO some other stuff without canceling it.
- reitanqild 10y ago
  Keeping that thingy running all those years and making sure it is still competitive against Chrome (that has 1000 times the resources + free access to put ads for their browser on two of the highest value ad spots that exists) is an engineering masterpiece as well as a marketing masterpiece if you ask me. Also you write like Firefox extensions haven't been years ahead of competition (proven by the fact that no other browsers have even come close even Mozilla had proven what was possible) and like tabs where commonplace in browsers before Firefox.
  - StevePerkins 10y ago
    Hey, I love Firefox and I'm glad that Mozilla keeps it running. But the parent comment complains that people never talk about anything other than Firefox. Well... Also, tabs (like most browser UI innovation over the past 15 years) came from Opera.
- sametmax 10y ago
  Mozilla is constantly working for the open web. Not only do they design products, but they invest in work groups and conference for that. Hell they even produced and gave away the best documentation on the front end currently existing (MDN). They finance other open sources projects, try to innovate all the time (they fail often, but trying new things always leads to that), pay dev to do so.

Apparently our friends at Mozcolonslashslasha don't realize how many more important things they could be working on than this.

by nstr10 10y ago

Apparently our friends at Mozcolonslashslasha don't realize how many more important things they could be working on than this.

onion2k 10y ago

Of course they do, and that work continued while other people worked on the rebranding. Also, and more importantly, maintaining an up-to-date brand keeps Mozilla relevant and (hopefully) stops them looking like a throwback to a past era (like, say, Yahoo!). Mozilla needs to do many things to remain an important force on the web. Keeping it's brand is one aspect of that work.

reitanqild 10y ago

They are very aware it seems based on my observations over the last few years and while I don't agree with everything they do I defend their right to spend a tiny fraction of their time on a logo. - after all it seems logo, ui and pixel polish etc matters a whole lot more to a lot of people than it does to me so it might be well worth updating. Me? As long as extensions work and they don't copy too much more (bad imo) ideas like hidden menus and hamburger from Chrome and Mac they are still easily my favourite. Oh, and they have created a new systems programming language that has managed to exite me and a lot of others here on the northeastern side of the Internet.

StevePerkins 10y ago

People keep talking about Mozilla like it's the engineering wing of the EFF, that it's tirelessly working on a mission of Internet freedom, etc. I'm sorry, but I just don't see it. I see: (1) a team of developers, incrementally maintaining a codebase that that was donated by a 1990's commercial entity, and (2) some second-tier marketing types, burning through Google/Yahoo money and padding their resumes with random "me too" projects that don't last very long. The flagship browser has only had one major re-think since Netscape's demise, and that re-think was, "We should make its UI and dev cycle look like Chrome's". The most significant "new" project dreamed up by the marketing types was a me-too Android alternative, which they then almost immediately canceled. The only noteworthy and truly innovative things I can think of coming out of Mozilla have been Rust and Persona, and the latter was also quickly canceled (which was a shame since it's the only example I can think of that REALLY fits the mission statement they talk about). I'm glad that Firefox is out there to prevent a Google monopoly, and I'm glad that Rust has a financial patron since it's a pretty interesting language. But if Mozilla want to be seen as some greater "force for Internet freedom", beyond just maintaining an dated and declining web browser, then a logo change won't be enough. Actually DO some other stuff without canceling it.

reitanqild 10y ago
Keeping that thingy running all those years and making sure it is still competitive against Chrome (that has 1000 times the resources + free access to put ads for their browser on two of the highest value ad spots that exists) is an engineering masterpiece as well as a marketing masterpiece if you ask me. Also you write like Firefox extensions haven't been years ahead of competition (proven by the fact that no other browsers have even come close even Mozilla had proven what was possible) and like tabs where commonplace in browsers before Firefox.
- StevePerkins 10y ago
  Hey, I love Firefox and I'm glad that Mozilla keeps it running. But the parent comment complains that people never talk about anything other than Firefox. Well... Also, tabs (like most browser UI innovation over the past 15 years) came from Opera.
sametmax 10y ago
Mozilla is constantly working for the open web. Not only do they design products, but they invest in work groups and conference for that. Hell they even produced and gave away the best documentation on the front end currently existing (MDN). They finance other open sources projects, try to innovate all the time (they fail often, but trying new things always leads to that), pay dev to do so.