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This is such a non issue that it didn't even warrant the blog post.

by hoodoof 10y ago

cooper12 10y ago
There was actually a HN comment thread on it for the Mozilla announcement: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13425609 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13425609. The commenters mainly noted how similar the logos are. This could lead to possible confusion and I think pre-empting it is best to defuse any drama before it starts.
- rangibaby 10y ago
  > how this could lead to possible confusion I sincerely doubt it. There are two groups in the world: Group A: What the hell is a Mozilla? Group B: knows the difference between cURL and Mozilla
  - ma2rten 10y ago
    I think less people know about curl than mozilla, not to mention that curl has a logo (I had no idea).
  - Esau 10y ago
    Agreed. I commented on the similarity earlier but I don't think there will ever really be confusion.
  - bearcobra 10y ago
    Reading some of the stories about users finding mention of cURL in software acknowledgements and emailing for support makes me think that there is a Group C that could easily be confused
    - JadeNB 10y ago
      I think your Group C, "easily confused", probably has substantial overlap with Group A, "what is a Mozilla?".
  - lbotos 10y ago
    But what about the third who may see a cURL logo after the new Mozilla logo and say, "oh, I didn't realize cURL was a Mozilla project."
    - corndoge 10y ago
      What difference does it make?
      - regularfry 10y ago
        Where bug reports go.
        projektfu 10y ago
        That's pretty funny. https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2016/11/14/i-have-toyota-corola/ https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2016/11/14/i-have-toyota-corola/
    - gukov 10y ago
      What about http:// http://? Is it a Mozilla project, too? What a mess.
    - johnward 10y ago
      No one even knew curl had a logo until today. I'm guessing 80% of the people that use it have never been to the website.
      - Nexxxeh 10y ago
        Ironically I discovered it yesterday when using it to trigger outbound Twilio voice calls from a Windows desktop (for testing the local Lync client). The Windows binary has the logo. (Off-topic, gotta change from ' to " for the example code to work on Windows. I should mention that to Twilio...)
kevindong 10y ago
I wasn't even aware that curl had a logo.
- Waterluvian 10y ago
  I wasn't aware that curl had a community or website. I always thought of it as just a command in my terminal. Guess my eyes are open just a little bit wider than yesterday.
  - GeertVL 10y ago
    You really need to listen to this podcast with Daniel on the Changelog. I love his attitude and his approach. https://changelog.com/podcast/153 https://changelog.com/podcast/153
    - abricot 10y ago
      He'll listen to it right after the podcasts from the guys who made 'ls' and 'cd'.
      - Waterluvian 10y ago
        Don't forget grepcast!
- jschulenklopper 10y ago
  Same here. `curl(1)` is such a program that you use all the time on many different machines... without ever visiting the home page of the project. I think I saw that curl logo for the first time today...
jdub 10y ago
Branding is very often an important issue to open source projects, contributors, organisations, and enthusiastic users. Emotions run high when we get things wrong, and rightly so -- people invest their lives in these worlds. It's fantastic that Daniel thought ahead to make sure both communities were on the same page, and wrote this post to keep everyone informed and (hopefully) happy.
wvh 10y ago
Nowadays outrage is all the rage, I guess communicating early and briefly could nip some minor drama in the bud. This doesn't seem likely, but you never know... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firebird_%28database_server%29#Mozilla_Firefox_name_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firebird_%28database_server%29...
Sylos 10y ago
You'd think so, yeah, but I'm sure there's going to be some people who just want to be negative about it, and I'm glad that I have a link that I can smack those people with.
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This is such a non issue that it didn't even warrant the blog post.

by hoodoof 10y ago

This is such a non issue that it didn't even warrant the blog post.

There was actually a HN comment thread on it for the Mozilla announcement: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13425609 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13425609. The commenters mainly noted how similar the logos are. This could lead to possible confusion and I think pre-empting it is best to defuse any drama before it starts.

rangibaby 10y ago
> how this could lead to possible confusion I sincerely doubt it. There are two groups in the world: Group A: What the hell is a Mozilla? Group B: knows the difference between cURL and Mozilla
- ma2rten 10y ago
  I think less people know about curl than mozilla, not to mention that curl has a logo (I had no idea).
- Esau 10y ago
  Agreed. I commented on the similarity earlier but I don't think there will ever really be confusion.
- bearcobra 10y ago
  Reading some of the stories about users finding mention of cURL in software acknowledgements and emailing for support makes me think that there is a Group C that could easily be confused
  - JadeNB 10y ago
    I think your Group C, "easily confused", probably has substantial overlap with Group A, "what is a Mozilla?".
- lbotos 10y ago
  But what about the third who may see a cURL logo after the new Mozilla logo and say, "oh, I didn't realize cURL was a Mozilla project."
  - corndoge 10y ago
    What difference does it make?
    - regularfry 10y ago
      Where bug reports go.
      - projektfu 10y ago
        That's pretty funny. https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2016/11/14/i-have-toyota-corola/ https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2016/11/14/i-have-toyota-corola/
  - gukov 10y ago
    What about http:// http://? Is it a Mozilla project, too? What a mess.
  - johnward 10y ago
    No one even knew curl had a logo until today. I'm guessing 80% of the people that use it have never been to the website.
    - Nexxxeh 10y ago
      Ironically I discovered it yesterday when using it to trigger outbound Twilio voice calls from a Windows desktop (for testing the local Lync client). The Windows binary has the logo. (Off-topic, gotta change from ' to " for the example code to work on Windows. I should mention that to Twilio...)

kevindong 10y ago

I wasn't even aware that curl had a logo.

Waterluvian 10y ago
I wasn't aware that curl had a community or website. I always thought of it as just a command in my terminal. Guess my eyes are open just a little bit wider than yesterday.
- GeertVL 10y ago
  You really need to listen to this podcast with Daniel on the Changelog. I love his attitude and his approach. https://changelog.com/podcast/153 https://changelog.com/podcast/153
  - abricot 10y ago
    He'll listen to it right after the podcasts from the guys who made 'ls' and 'cd'.
    - Waterluvian 10y ago
      Don't forget grepcast!
jschulenklopper 10y ago
Same here. `curl(1)` is such a program that you use all the time on many different machines... without ever visiting the home page of the project. I think I saw that curl logo for the first time today...

jdub 10y ago

Branding is very often an important issue to open source projects, contributors, organisations, and enthusiastic users. Emotions run high when we get things wrong, and rightly so -- people invest their lives in these worlds. It's fantastic that Daniel thought ahead to make sure both communities were on the same page, and wrote this post to keep everyone informed and (hopefully) happy.

wvh 10y ago

Nowadays outrage is all the rage, I guess communicating early and briefly could nip some minor drama in the bud. This doesn't seem likely, but you never know... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firebird_%28database_server%29#Mozilla_Firefox_name_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firebird_%28database_server%29...

Sylos 10y ago

You'd think so, yeah, but I'm sure there's going to be some people who just want to be negative about it, and I'm glad that I have a link that I can smack those people with.

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