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To be fair there's no proof of a crime thus far: just a large pile of circumstantial evidence (creepy instagram pics and comments, many awkwardly worded emails

To be fair there's no proof of a crime thus far: just a large pile of circumstantial evidence (creepy instagram pics and comments, many awkwardly worded emails about pizza and hot dogs and kids in pools being entertainment, and many other things like that) that people are choosing to interpret in a specific way. Everybody is obviously innocent before being proven guilty, but many people who look at so many of the weird aspects of this believe that there's something going on here: at the very least they could be speaking in code about something. Interesting to me that the media wants to jump up and down and is so hysterical and adamant about saying "it's debunked!" when it doesn't look like there's any interest by the police to even look into this. Supposedly, somebody filed a FOIA request to get info on the DC police's investigation into these allegations and despite previously saying that their investigation hasn't yielded any proof of a crime, it turns out that they never even investigated it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omlQHWrgmd4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omlQHWrgmd4 But the media swears up and down that it's already been debunked. I don't get that.

jdironman 10y ago
That was the tipping point for me. How readily, without reason / evidence / proof, that it was debunked by the media. I am not a person who jumps to conclusions. I draw conclusions based on facts. But when they can say that it is 'debunked' without facts, while actual material exists that points to, at the very least, shady material surrounding it...then I have not choice but to question things. I come to the HN community because anything note worthy is highly scrutinized here. I appreciate that about HN and it is the only reason I even bring the topic to the table here.
- ebcode 10y ago
  I suggest you do your own research. Download John Podesta's emails from WikiLeaks and look through them, and search for the words "pizza", "pasta", and "cheese". The legitimacy I see is that the words "pizza", "pasta", and "cheese" in those emails were absolutely being used as codewords. What those codewords actually meant to their authors could still be up for debate (depending on your level of skepticism), but they make absolutely no sense as non-codewords in the excerpt, "Do you think I'll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta." The word "pizza" in those emails was being used as a codeword for something. That was enough legitimacy for me. [Edit: Just re-read your question, and you seem to be searching for an "un-biased" and "credible expert" to weigh in. In this case/investigation, I don't believe such an appeal to authority will work (because the authorities, such as we have in this country, are complicit). You have to become your own expert.]
  - jakeogh 10y ago
    Example from: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/32795 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/32795 "Hi John, The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus?" The Podestas' taste in 'art' is horrible in every way. A mild example: http://i.imgur.com/PMVvrRy.jpg http://i.imgur.com/PMVvrRy.jpg

jdironman 10y ago

That was the tipping point for me. How readily, without reason / evidence / proof, that it was debunked by the media. I am not a person who jumps to conclusions. I draw conclusions based on facts. But when they can say that it is 'debunked' without facts, while actual material exists that points to, at the very least, shady material surrounding it...then I have not choice but to question things. I come to the HN community because anything note worthy is highly scrutinized here. I appreciate that about HN and it is the only reason I even bring the topic to the table here.

ebcode 10y ago
I suggest you do your own research. Download John Podesta's emails from WikiLeaks and look through them, and search for the words "pizza", "pasta", and "cheese". The legitimacy I see is that the words "pizza", "pasta", and "cheese" in those emails were absolutely being used as codewords. What those codewords actually meant to their authors could still be up for debate (depending on your level of skepticism), but they make absolutely no sense as non-codewords in the excerpt, "Do you think I'll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta." The word "pizza" in those emails was being used as a codeword for something. That was enough legitimacy for me. [Edit: Just re-read your question, and you seem to be searching for an "un-biased" and "credible expert" to weigh in. In this case/investigation, I don't believe such an appeal to authority will work (because the authorities, such as we have in this country, are complicit). You have to become your own expert.]
- jakeogh 10y ago
  Example from: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/32795 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/32795 "Hi John, The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus?" The Podestas' taste in 'art' is horrible in every way. A mild example: http://i.imgur.com/PMVvrRy.jpg http://i.imgur.com/PMVvrRy.jpg