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Well, for one, you can hide contact info from a resume (which is still stored in a system somewhere, with a unique ID). And you can also make the early stages
by rudolf0 10y ago
Well, for one, you can hide contact info from a resume (which is still stored in a system somewhere, with a unique ID).
And you can also make the early stages of your interview email or text-chat based (or just a Google Doc, like some companies do), to eliminate any potential bias in things that can be inferred from voice like accent, region, and gender.
Obviously once they're on-site for an interview, you can't anonymize much anymore, but anonymizing every stage before that seems like a win-win to me (excluding potential costs of implementing the system).
- bubbleRefuge 10y agoWell, I can tell the way sentences are formed in many cases if I'm dealing with a native speaker or not.
- hueving 10y agoWould you kindly do the willingly and explain how? :)
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- mixmastamyk 10y agoExplaining the human brain's ability to pattern match will take more than a few sentences.
- mschuster91 10y agoIt's pretty easy, but also pretty rough - if you're good, you can certainly distinguish between an American, a British or an Indian English-speaking person writing.
- grepthisab 10y agoI could be missing the mark here, but I'm pretty sure you were replying to satire. Based on the grammar used and smiley face.
- zaroth 10y agoMaybe add </s> next time, although the smiley should have been a dead giveaway.
- gotrecruit 10y agoYou mean do the needful?
- rudolf0 10y agoBut whether someone is a native speaker is a trait that someone can legally and rightfully discriminate over. It's perfectly reasonable to reject someone if you think their English skills aren't sufficiently good. It's not reasonable or legal to reject them just because they were born in a different country.
- Scea91 10y agoIf you anonymize it and make it completely chat based how do you make sure that the person you are chatting with is really the applicant and not someone else?
- grepthisab 10y agoIt's difficult. I remember coming out of school, employers tried to anonymize for various things, especially with respect to things like race. Black students would, in an anonymized resume with contact info removed for example, state that they were "Treasurer for the Black Students Association" or "NAACP Volunteer", or things to that effect. My point is that I think that an Asian person, applying to a company known to be favorable toward Asians in hiring, would signal their ethnicity somehow in their resume. At least, that would be the smart play for that person.
- saulrh 10y agoBuild a loop into the workflow for "You're insufficiently anonymous, resubmit", with a special way to enter "significant award/position/membership with deanonymizing title, X level of prestige/selectivity/membership"? Might be valuable anyway so you don't accidentally get peoples' personal biases into play - different people will weight "NAACP award" very differently.
- coredog64 10y agoI find it pretty easy to distinguish between people educated in the US and those not educated in the US after a fairly small sample of writing.
- pps43 10y agoInteresting. Any telltale signs? I'm assuming it's not the difference between native English speaker and ESL, but specific words or grammar patterns? Can you tell from my comment history whether I was educated in the US?
- sokoloff 10y agoI spent <5 minutes on it. I'd guess that you're not US educated (or at least not a native US English speaker). The "tell" that I'm primarily relying upon is that you often drop articles where a US-native speaker would use them. Just one example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13197570 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13197570 (that was as far back as I went) I think most native US speakers would use "the gun industry" and "the film industry". Several later comments drop an "an" or "a" article as well. You also have a habit of using a comma splice rather than a semi-colon to join sentences, but that one is harder to place geographically, as it's a somewhat common trait within the US as well. In my experience, it is often a trait of European native speakers who learned English as a second language, but is less reliable than dropped articles.
- pps43 10y agoCorrect on both counts, although it's not quite clear how much of the difference is from place of education rather than native language. Math is the same no matter where you study it, at least in theory. Probably need a bigger sample.
- davidgay 10y agoDropped articles is a good indicator of (most) Slavic language speakers, but not of most European languages. E.g., French would not have dropped those definite articles either. Definite article rules do vary a little bit, though, so extra definite articles would be a good indicator of European native speakers...
- oculusthrift 10y agocommunication skills and personality can be really integral to the hiring process. many would rather have a good communicator than a slightly better engineer. your way removes this.