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The data they requested didn't have personhood either yet the discussion went straight to whether the corporation does. Why is that if ownership doesn't encompa

by Trundle 10y ago

The data they requested didn't have personhood either yet the discussion went straight to whether the corporation does. Why is that if ownership doesn't encompass property rights?

toomuchtodo 10y ago
Because ownership rights are not absolute. The IRS can dig through your personal and corporate finances to ensure you're compliant with your required tax liability payments, why would you think the Department of Labor wouldn't be permitted the same? EDIT: > I don't care to discuss what the law is sorry. Why would we discuss theory and not the actual law? The law is all that matters, as that's what will be enforced.
- Trundle 10y ago
  When you denied corporations having personhood despite them having personhood in the eyes of the law, I assumed you were interested in discussing the concept from an ethics pov rather than a legal one. I'm sure the department of labor knows exactly what it can and can't request and even if it doesn't it, an entity with lawyers on payroll, would definitely have more of an idea on US law than me, a non-American non-lawyer. I don't care to discuss what the law is sorry.
- Trundle 10y ago
  Because we find discussing theory fun? What does "all that matters" mean? This is a recreational discussion that carries no practical weight.
- j4kp07 10y ago
  > The IRS can dig through your personal and corporate finances Keyword: Finances And from what I understand, Oracle has turned all of those over. But you and others, are demanding unfettered access to every nook, cranny and file cabinet they possess. You sound like a disgruntled socialist that simply hates bigger and better people/companies succeeding in life. > Why would we discuss theory and not the actual law? Said the person who hasn't read SCOTUS rulings on corporation's right to privacy, due process of law, etc.
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    You don't want to follow federal government contractor regulations, don't take federal dollars. Otherwise, produce the docs you're required to. > You sound like a disgruntled socialist that simply hates bigger and better people/companies succeeding in life. I hate entitled companies who don't think they have to follow the rules. They deserve the boot on their neck.

by Trundle 10y ago

The data they requested didn't have personhood either yet the discussion went straight to whether the corporation does. Why is that if ownership doesn't encompass property rights?

toomuchtodo 10y ago

Because ownership rights are not absolute. The IRS can dig through your personal and corporate finances to ensure you're compliant with your required tax liability payments, why would you think the Department of Labor wouldn't be permitted the same? EDIT: > I don't care to discuss what the law is sorry. Why would we discuss theory and not the actual law? The law is all that matters, as that's what will be enforced.

Trundle 10y ago
When you denied corporations having personhood despite them having personhood in the eyes of the law, I assumed you were interested in discussing the concept from an ethics pov rather than a legal one. I'm sure the department of labor knows exactly what it can and can't request and even if it doesn't it, an entity with lawyers on payroll, would definitely have more of an idea on US law than me, a non-American non-lawyer. I don't care to discuss what the law is sorry.
Trundle 10y ago
Because we find discussing theory fun? What does "all that matters" mean? This is a recreational discussion that carries no practical weight.
j4kp07 10y ago
> The IRS can dig through your personal and corporate finances Keyword: Finances And from what I understand, Oracle has turned all of those over. But you and others, are demanding unfettered access to every nook, cranny and file cabinet they possess. You sound like a disgruntled socialist that simply hates bigger and better people/companies succeeding in life. > Why would we discuss theory and not the actual law? Said the person who hasn't read SCOTUS rulings on corporation's right to privacy, due process of law, etc.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  You don't want to follow federal government contractor regulations, don't take federal dollars. Otherwise, produce the docs you're required to. > You sound like a disgruntled socialist that simply hates bigger and better people/companies succeeding in life. I hate entitled companies who don't think they have to follow the rules. They deserve the boot on their neck.