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I'm a long-time Reddit user (10+ years on my oldest account) and a mod of several subs, including a 50K+. It is with great sadness that I say this, but Reddit i

I'm a long-time Reddit user (10+ years on my oldest account) and a mod of several subs, including a 50K+. It is with great sadness that I say this, but Reddit is rapidly moving in the direction of pulling a Digg v4. They just released for beta a new mod-mail that is unusable, so I'm guessing this new trendy but shitty design will eventually replace the whole site. I don't know what will happen after that, but I won't stick around to see it.

overcast 10y ago
Combine that with the toxic people inhabiting every popular sub reddit, it's some place I unfortunately no longer visit.
- grey-area 10y ago
  Reddit is an interesting phenomenon. The home page has been a toxic mix of memes and trash for much of its life (I looked at it a few times, but don't go there any more). The subreddits vary from highly toxic to well moderated (spacex for example), but most are so lightly moderated that they have some good links but little interesting comment content. The contrast with HN is interesting - I think the moderation here is much better and the culture is more welcoming as a result, but the home page here now just goes past too fast for it to function as a firehose on specific subjects.
  - ppod 10y ago
    HN is just more niche. HN is 842 on US alexa. Reddit is 7. The criticism that reddit gets is so naive. What other site of comparable size, where the users are mostly anonymous, has better community? Compare reddit comments with comment threads on youtube or national newspaper sites, and re-calibrate your humanity baseline.
    - hueving 10y ago
      >The criticism that reddit gets is so naive It's perfectly valid to criticize something for sucking even if there isn't a better alternative.
      - richforrester 10y ago
        It's also perfectly valid to criticise the criticism for having too high standards. If you expect a car to fly you to the moon, your standards are too high. If you expect Reddit to be like HN, you're also a fair bit off.
        hueving 10y ago
        No, it's not really valid to come back saying that nobody has done better so therefore your sights are too high. If someone is complaining about the CO2 output of the lowest emissions coal plant, it's a perfectly valid criticism even if it is the best coal plant. Reddit is a cesspool, and there is no proof that's the only thing that can happen with large online communities. There is plenty of room for innovation there. It's not like online communities have been around for thousands of years and this is clearly the best solution as proved by extensive research.
        nicky0 10y ago
        It may be a cesspool but it is a cesspool with a lot of valuable and interesting content and discussion, along with the shit.
      - Diamons 10y ago
        There's criticism, and there's not knowing what you're talking about. Unless one has run an online community like Reddit before, it's more than likely that that individual is playing armchair CEO.
        xapata 10y ago
        Unless you're the CEO of Reddit, you're by definition playing armchair CEO. I don't need to be Cristiano Ronaldo to have a legitimate criticism that he needs to fall back and help the defense sometimes. I mean, he's the best, but he doesn't have to score all the goals. Disclaimer: I'm a Madrid fan, not Barca.
  - seany 10y ago
    I would argue that most of the large subs are actually `over` moderated. Mostly along the lines of view point diversity kinds of issues.
  - pavel_lishin 10y ago
    > most are so lightly moderated that they have some good links but little interesting comment content. Isn't that just Sturgeon's Law? I have no idea how many subreddits there are, but I'd wager there are probably dozens, if not hundreds, of Hacker News equivalents - albeit tailored to different interests. I tend agree with you that the default homepage is a flaming trashcan, but I honestly haven't seen it in years - I just see my curated subreddits.
  - lukealization 10y ago
    Would just like to say, that as a moderator of r/SpaceX, I appreciate your kind words. Reddit really is a hit and miss barrel of communities. We (r/SpaceX mods) tend to find that a lot of our users don't even bother commenting in other subreddits. I certainly don't. Some of communities and the stunts they pull are downright embarrassing, and being hosted on the same platform sometimes feels a little ugly; so having our own little island that's peaceful and courteous is a big breath of fresh air.
    - grey-area 10y ago
      Thanks for the good work, I really appreciate the subreddit and the work done moderating it. People undervalue good moderation because if it's working well you don't often notice it.
      - sgift 10y ago
        The problem of all support professions. No one sees the immense amount of work needed for a good status quo, only when something goes wrong people notice the people that work all the time in the background.
  - Nition 10y ago
    The idea of a community where anyone can create a subreddit is interesting. Back in the day the SomethingAwful forums were hugely popular largely because they had subforums covering a big variety of topcs. They're still somewhat popular but Reddit has taken a huge amount of that traffic. One big problem with Reddit though is ongoing discussion. Anything older than a few hours and you may as well not comment. Whereas traditional forums excel in that area. I feel like there'd be a use case for a more traditional forum, but where users can create and moderate their own subforums. In fact I wonder why no-one's done that already.
    - Angostura 10y ago
      That's not quite right, in that at least the person you are reply to gets an orangered notification (and how I wish HN had this) so, although everyone else may disapear, you may find yourself having a prolonged conversation with that person.
      - Nition 10y ago
        Yeah, it'd be a good feature here. I saw your reply because I use HN Replies: http://www.hnreplies.com http://www.hnreplies.com It's basically a third party equivalent.
        Angostura 10y ago
        Ah - handy, thanks.
  - cookiecaper 10y ago
    The problem with reddit, IMO, is that there is a unified identity as "redditors" that brings conflicting communities too close on a routine basis. That makes some sense based on the site's early history when it was basically targeted at the same audience as HN, and the unified identity has been fading more and more over the last couple of years, but it's still a large part of reddit's design. Contrast with Facebook, Twitter, or other massively-accepted social networking sites. They start you out with ... a blank page! This not only allows but requires the user to craft an experience that will make them feel comfortable, and there's no need to confront them with things that may not be palatable. I think you can only get away with a real "front page" if you're targeting a specific niche. Otherwise, you have to go really generic. Twitter usually recommends that new accounts follow very generic things, like late night talk show hosts, sports stars, and popular singers. A lot of reddit's growth problem is that if a Republican or a religious person or someone over the age of 40 hears about it and decides to check out reddit.com, they're likely to leave angered, offended, shocked, or all of the above, and that's before they try to participate/comment, which is a whole 'nother can of worms. Combine with occasional news stories about reddit's less-savory underbelly and the prevalence of pornography and profanity, and it really is no wonder that reddit struggles to find mainstream acceptance. The issue that reddit must now deal with is to become mainstream-acceptable without destroying its existing userbase in the process.
- username223 10y ago
  That's just how large pseudonymous forums work. Remember Usenet? The popular newsgroups were wastelands, but the smaller ones were often decent (unless, like comp.lang.lisp, they had their own specific diseases).
  - Laforet 10y ago
    Agreed, reddit has mostly replaced Usenet for niche subject discussions.
- baq 10y ago
  s/sub reddit/place/ and you've got basically all of human civilization there.
mandelbulb 10y ago
Considering that you've participated on Reddit for a decade, even with multiple accounts, I doubt that you would able to suddenly give up your regular virtual social interactions. So what is the alternative you're going to switch to, are talking about the distant future, or is it just a remark that you can't proof you would follow-up?
- barclay 10y ago
  I dunno. I'm part of the 10 year club (/u/barclay is my main account). I've modded in the past. However outside of a couple of select subs i still casually participate in (watches and bikes) the draw just isn't there for me anymore. I think it's more like slashdot. I didn't leave slashdot for reddit or HN. I just left. It got bad. I'm thinking the same thing is about to happen for me on reddit as well.
  - derefr 10y ago
    The interesting difference, to me, is that Reddit isn't one community (like Slashdot) but rather more of a hosting service for communities, like Discourse or Slack (or Usenet or IRC.) At some point, I might be following a whole different set of subreddits than I am today, as old ones die/jump the shark and I discover new ones. But I don't see what would specifically push me to leave the entire site, as long as there are individual active communities there I'm interested in—any more than I would choose to categorically stop visiting blogs hosted on Wordpress.com or categorically choose to never read a post on a phpBB forum again. Of course, I might leave the whole site anyway, but not because of a push; rather because activity on the whole might drop off in favour of something else, and all those communities I like might migrate away (like many of the chatrooms I visit have migrated from IRC to Slack), leaving a hollow shell of a site that's still, in theory, a host for many communities I enjoy—but not their canonical home, just a secondary one. At that point, there'd be no reason to visit.
    - Nition 10y ago
      I think it'd be really interesting to set up a more traditional forum system (like Discourse), but in a way where anyone can create a subforum and moderate it. Like Reddit but allowing for a lot more long-term discussion on a topic.
Kalium 10y ago
I run a sub of 500K+. I like the new mod-mail. To me, it resembles a ticketing system, which I think is a very reasonable approach.
- SquareWheel 10y ago
  New modmail is significantly better. I don't see how anybody could describe it as "unusable" compared to the old system. All it's missing is search and it'll be perfect.

overcast 10y ago

Combine that with the toxic people inhabiting every popular sub reddit, it's some place I unfortunately no longer visit.

grey-area 10y ago
Reddit is an interesting phenomenon. The home page has been a toxic mix of memes and trash for much of its life (I looked at it a few times, but don't go there any more). The subreddits vary from highly toxic to well moderated (spacex for example), but most are so lightly moderated that they have some good links but little interesting comment content. The contrast with HN is interesting - I think the moderation here is much better and the culture is more welcoming as a result, but the home page here now just goes past too fast for it to function as a firehose on specific subjects.
- ppod 10y ago
  HN is just more niche. HN is 842 on US alexa. Reddit is 7. The criticism that reddit gets is so naive. What other site of comparable size, where the users are mostly anonymous, has better community? Compare reddit comments with comment threads on youtube or national newspaper sites, and re-calibrate your humanity baseline.
  - hueving 10y ago
    >The criticism that reddit gets is so naive It's perfectly valid to criticize something for sucking even if there isn't a better alternative.
    - richforrester 10y ago
      It's also perfectly valid to criticise the criticism for having too high standards. If you expect a car to fly you to the moon, your standards are too high. If you expect Reddit to be like HN, you're also a fair bit off.
      - hueving 10y ago
        No, it's not really valid to come back saying that nobody has done better so therefore your sights are too high. If someone is complaining about the CO2 output of the lowest emissions coal plant, it's a perfectly valid criticism even if it is the best coal plant. Reddit is a cesspool, and there is no proof that's the only thing that can happen with large online communities. There is plenty of room for innovation there. It's not like online communities have been around for thousands of years and this is clearly the best solution as proved by extensive research.
        nicky0 10y ago
        It may be a cesspool but it is a cesspool with a lot of valuable and interesting content and discussion, along with the shit.
    - Diamons 10y ago
      There's criticism, and there's not knowing what you're talking about. Unless one has run an online community like Reddit before, it's more than likely that that individual is playing armchair CEO.
      - xapata 10y ago
        Unless you're the CEO of Reddit, you're by definition playing armchair CEO. I don't need to be Cristiano Ronaldo to have a legitimate criticism that he needs to fall back and help the defense sometimes. I mean, he's the best, but he doesn't have to score all the goals. Disclaimer: I'm a Madrid fan, not Barca.
- seany 10y ago
  I would argue that most of the large subs are actually `over` moderated. Mostly along the lines of view point diversity kinds of issues.
- pavel_lishin 10y ago
  > most are so lightly moderated that they have some good links but little interesting comment content. Isn't that just Sturgeon's Law? I have no idea how many subreddits there are, but I'd wager there are probably dozens, if not hundreds, of Hacker News equivalents - albeit tailored to different interests. I tend agree with you that the default homepage is a flaming trashcan, but I honestly haven't seen it in years - I just see my curated subreddits.
- lukealization 10y ago
  Would just like to say, that as a moderator of r/SpaceX, I appreciate your kind words. Reddit really is a hit and miss barrel of communities. We (r/SpaceX mods) tend to find that a lot of our users don't even bother commenting in other subreddits. I certainly don't. Some of communities and the stunts they pull are downright embarrassing, and being hosted on the same platform sometimes feels a little ugly; so having our own little island that's peaceful and courteous is a big breath of fresh air.
  - grey-area 10y ago
    Thanks for the good work, I really appreciate the subreddit and the work done moderating it. People undervalue good moderation because if it's working well you don't often notice it.
    - sgift 10y ago
      The problem of all support professions. No one sees the immense amount of work needed for a good status quo, only when something goes wrong people notice the people that work all the time in the background.
- Nition 10y ago
  The idea of a community where anyone can create a subreddit is interesting. Back in the day the SomethingAwful forums were hugely popular largely because they had subforums covering a big variety of topcs. They're still somewhat popular but Reddit has taken a huge amount of that traffic. One big problem with Reddit though is ongoing discussion. Anything older than a few hours and you may as well not comment. Whereas traditional forums excel in that area. I feel like there'd be a use case for a more traditional forum, but where users can create and moderate their own subforums. In fact I wonder why no-one's done that already.
  - Angostura 10y ago
    That's not quite right, in that at least the person you are reply to gets an orangered notification (and how I wish HN had this) so, although everyone else may disapear, you may find yourself having a prolonged conversation with that person.
    - Nition 10y ago
      Yeah, it'd be a good feature here. I saw your reply because I use HN Replies: http://www.hnreplies.com http://www.hnreplies.com It's basically a third party equivalent.
      - Angostura 10y ago
        Ah - handy, thanks.
- cookiecaper 10y ago
  The problem with reddit, IMO, is that there is a unified identity as "redditors" that brings conflicting communities too close on a routine basis. That makes some sense based on the site's early history when it was basically targeted at the same audience as HN, and the unified identity has been fading more and more over the last couple of years, but it's still a large part of reddit's design. Contrast with Facebook, Twitter, or other massively-accepted social networking sites. They start you out with ... a blank page! This not only allows but requires the user to craft an experience that will make them feel comfortable, and there's no need to confront them with things that may not be palatable. I think you can only get away with a real "front page" if you're targeting a specific niche. Otherwise, you have to go really generic. Twitter usually recommends that new accounts follow very generic things, like late night talk show hosts, sports stars, and popular singers. A lot of reddit's growth problem is that if a Republican or a religious person or someone over the age of 40 hears about it and decides to check out reddit.com, they're likely to leave angered, offended, shocked, or all of the above, and that's before they try to participate/comment, which is a whole 'nother can of worms. Combine with occasional news stories about reddit's less-savory underbelly and the prevalence of pornography and profanity, and it really is no wonder that reddit struggles to find mainstream acceptance. The issue that reddit must now deal with is to become mainstream-acceptable without destroying its existing userbase in the process.
username223 10y ago
That's just how large pseudonymous forums work. Remember Usenet? The popular newsgroups were wastelands, but the smaller ones were often decent (unless, like comp.lang.lisp, they had their own specific diseases).
- Laforet 10y ago
  Agreed, reddit has mostly replaced Usenet for niche subject discussions.
baq 10y ago
s/sub reddit/place/ and you've got basically all of human civilization there.

mandelbulb 10y ago

Considering that you've participated on Reddit for a decade, even with multiple accounts, I doubt that you would able to suddenly give up your regular virtual social interactions. So what is the alternative you're going to switch to, are talking about the distant future, or is it just a remark that you can't proof you would follow-up?

barclay 10y ago
I dunno. I'm part of the 10 year club (/u/barclay is my main account). I've modded in the past. However outside of a couple of select subs i still casually participate in (watches and bikes) the draw just isn't there for me anymore. I think it's more like slashdot. I didn't leave slashdot for reddit or HN. I just left. It got bad. I'm thinking the same thing is about to happen for me on reddit as well.
- derefr 10y ago
  The interesting difference, to me, is that Reddit isn't one community (like Slashdot) but rather more of a hosting service for communities, like Discourse or Slack (or Usenet or IRC.) At some point, I might be following a whole different set of subreddits than I am today, as old ones die/jump the shark and I discover new ones. But I don't see what would specifically push me to leave the entire site, as long as there are individual active communities there I'm interested in—any more than I would choose to categorically stop visiting blogs hosted on Wordpress.com or categorically choose to never read a post on a phpBB forum again. Of course, I might leave the whole site anyway, but not because of a push; rather because activity on the whole might drop off in favour of something else, and all those communities I like might migrate away (like many of the chatrooms I visit have migrated from IRC to Slack), leaving a hollow shell of a site that's still, in theory, a host for many communities I enjoy—but not their canonical home, just a secondary one. At that point, there'd be no reason to visit.
  - Nition 10y ago
    I think it'd be really interesting to set up a more traditional forum system (like Discourse), but in a way where anyone can create a subforum and moderate it. Like Reddit but allowing for a lot more long-term discussion on a topic.

Kalium 10y ago

I run a sub of 500K+. I like the new mod-mail. To me, it resembles a ticketing system, which I think is a very reasonable approach.

SquareWheel 10y ago
New modmail is significantly better. I don't see how anybody could describe it as "unusable" compared to the old system. All it's missing is search and it'll be perfect.