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Thanks for the interesting and informative comment. Do I sense just a tiny bit of regret though? Yet another Python interface. YAPI. You heard it here first. An

Thanks for the interesting and informative comment. Do I sense just a tiny bit of regret though? Yet another Python interface. YAPI. You heard it here first. And no, Py3 is not that nice. Too much cruft by far. And lua is miles faster than Python when you're outside the tensor domain, ie while you're sourcing and wrangling your data. Arguably luajit obviates the need for C , something you can't say about Python. Disclosure: I am a massive, but increasingly disenchanted, user of Python. I had actually started looking at Torch7, foregoing tensorflow, precisely because of Lua. But the walls are closing in....

jjawssd 10y ago
A very large portion of performance problems can be mitigated with the use of cython and the new asyncio stuff. asyncio success story: https://magic.io/blog/asyncpg-1m-rows-from-postgres-to-python/ https://magic.io/blog/asyncpg-1m-rows-from-postgres-to-pytho... cython: http://scikit-learn.org/stable/developers/performance.html http://scikit-learn.org/stable/developers/performance.html
- vegabook 10y ago
  Luajit is at least 10x faster than python and easily obviates the need to mess around with cython. That's an easy win for Lua. Let's be honest: Torch has decided that if you cannot beat them, join them. It is about network effects. Not about Python better than Lua intrinsically.
  - jjawssd 10y ago
    Can't argue with that
  - deleted 10y ago
    [deleted]
  - baq 10y ago
    but why do you care if luajit is faster than python if everything that matters is computed on the GPU anyways?
- inlineint 10y ago
  An alternative to Cython is Numba [1], which speeds up some cycles in pure Python by just adding a single decorator. [1] http://numba.pydata.org/ http://numba.pydata.org/
cr0sh 10y ago
> And lua is miles faster than Python when you're outside the tensor domain, ie while you're sourcing and wrangling your data. Then use Lua for that, if you are more comfortable there and want/need the speed bump. There's nothing that says an entire project or whatnot has to be developed in a singular language. Use each tool to its strengths, as your needs, requirements, and abilities dictate.
- vegabook 10y ago
  There always has to be someone rolling out the horses-for-courses pitch. No. I wanted Lua to gain traction with other people. That's the point. I would have liked the Lua sci-ecosystem to be healthy as an alternative.
  - infinite8s 10y ago
    Is there an equivalent to numpy in the Lua space?
    - apaszke 10y ago
      torch?
webmaven 10y ago
> And lua is miles faster than Python when you're outside the tensor domain, ie while you're sourcing and wrangling your data. Is that true even if the Python used is PyPy rather than CPython?

jjawssd 10y ago

A very large portion of performance problems can be mitigated with the use of cython and the new asyncio stuff. asyncio success story: https://magic.io/blog/asyncpg-1m-rows-from-postgres-to-python/ https://magic.io/blog/asyncpg-1m-rows-from-postgres-to-pytho... cython: http://scikit-learn.org/stable/developers/performance.html http://scikit-learn.org/stable/developers/performance.html

vegabook 10y ago
Luajit is at least 10x faster than python and easily obviates the need to mess around with cython. That's an easy win for Lua. Let's be honest: Torch has decided that if you cannot beat them, join them. It is about network effects. Not about Python better than Lua intrinsically.
- jjawssd 10y ago
  Can't argue with that
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]
- baq 10y ago
  but why do you care if luajit is faster than python if everything that matters is computed on the GPU anyways?
inlineint 10y ago
An alternative to Cython is Numba [1], which speeds up some cycles in pure Python by just adding a single decorator. [1] http://numba.pydata.org/ http://numba.pydata.org/

cr0sh 10y ago

> And lua is miles faster than Python when you're outside the tensor domain, ie while you're sourcing and wrangling your data. Then use Lua for that, if you are more comfortable there and want/need the speed bump. There's nothing that says an entire project or whatnot has to be developed in a singular language. Use each tool to its strengths, as your needs, requirements, and abilities dictate.

vegabook 10y ago
There always has to be someone rolling out the horses-for-courses pitch. No. I wanted Lua to gain traction with other people. That's the point. I would have liked the Lua sci-ecosystem to be healthy as an alternative.
- infinite8s 10y ago
  Is there an equivalent to numpy in the Lua space?
  - apaszke 10y ago
    torch?

webmaven 10y ago

> And lua is miles faster than Python when you're outside the tensor domain, ie while you're sourcing and wrangling your data. Is that true even if the Python used is PyPy rather than CPython?