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> (...) in order to force the people who live in London to sell their homes, pull their children out of school, learn new languages and move elsewhere. (...) P

> (...) in order to force the people who live in London to sell their homes, pull their children out of school, learn new languages and move elsewhere. (...) Please, stop that. I am an EU national that works and lives in the UK. There's 3 million of us. Among my anecdotal data, 2 families have left already - the rest of us have been postponing / stopping for undefined time buying houses, cars and doing any long or even mid term planning. This is all because the UK citizens, plus the Irish, plus the Commonwealth citizens (that may or may not have right to live and work in the UK) voted and decided we were not worth it. As simple as that. We, of course, didn't have the right to vote. Don't even dare to use the "poor families" argument on this. > (...) The people who run the EU are utterly, utterly unconcerned about the lives of the people who work in finance (...) You can't be fucking serious mate. Whoever voted Leave in the referendum holds no moral ground to bring in these arguments. Edit: This comment's score is like a rollercoaster! Whoever is downvoting me, could you please please understand for a second that most of the people working in the financial sector had a vote on Brexit (as most people in the UK had), but 100% of the people that are now in a legal limbo had no vote on Brexit? Ok, thanks.

oculusthrift 10y ago
i also think it's funny he's trying to make us feel bad for people in finance. some of the most morally bankrupt people in the world. especially at hsbc.
- NetStrikeForce 10y ago
  His comment and his reply to mine are despicable, distasteful and delusional. What a shame.
zigzigzag 10y ago
Congrats, you are also proving my point. You don't even consider that maybe the EU could just ... not do anything. There is no problem with euro-related transactions being handled in London. The vote was not a decision that you weren't "worth it". It was a decision that the EU is a problem and needs to be got rid of. But in a classic show of why the decision was correct, instead of blaming the EU for imposing trade sanctions on your industry, you blame the UK for voting to leave even though it's entirely the EU's retaliation that is to blame for your predicament. There is nothing that requires them to block Europeans from trading with the UK. The EU's actions are not inevitable. They are deliberate, spiteful and driven by the fear of a loss of political power. Take your anger to Brussels.
- NetStrikeForce 10y ago
  > You don't even consider that maybe the EU could just ... not do anything. "Not do anything" means the UK is not part of the EU hence the UK has no trade deal with the EU. The defaults are WTO rules, which is TARIFFS and no passporting just to be over-simplistic. The WORST deal for everyone. > There is no problem with euro-related transactions being handled in London. There is. The EU would actually need to change the law to allow London to keep operating while not being part of the EU. It is the UK who's leaving. Why do you try to paint it as retaliation? > The vote was not a decision that you weren't "worth it". Yes, it was. EU immigration was a big part of the vote and the other, namely what you wrote --> "It was a decision that the EU is a problem and needs to be got rid of." is the "not worth it" part. For you, it's not worth to keep us around. I respect your opinion, but please also respect my distaste for it. > But in a classic show of why the decision was correct, instead of blaming the EU for imposing trade sanctions on your industry, you blame the UK for voting to leave even though it's entirely the EU's retaliation that is to blame for your predicament. It's not trade sanctions, it's the lack of a trade deal. You must have been supermad at Makro when you stopped paying for your membership and lost your right to buy there, right? Those filthy revengeful Makro workers, imposing trading sanctions on YOU nonetheless! > The EU's actions are not inevitable. Agreed. The UK just has to reach an agreement that satisfies both parts. > They are deliberate, spiteful and driven by the fear of a loss of political power. No, they're not. The UK's decision to eat their cake and have (which you don't seem to be able to grasp - where does this delusion come from?) is the only deliberate and spiteful action here. > Take your anger to Brussels. Good luck for the future. You're going to need (and what's even worse - I'll need it because of delusional people like you as I live in the UK too).

oculusthrift 10y ago

i also think it's funny he's trying to make us feel bad for people in finance. some of the most morally bankrupt people in the world. especially at hsbc.

NetStrikeForce 10y ago
His comment and his reply to mine are despicable, distasteful and delusional. What a shame.

zigzigzag 10y ago

Congrats, you are also proving my point. You don't even consider that maybe the EU could just ... not do anything. There is no problem with euro-related transactions being handled in London. The vote was not a decision that you weren't "worth it". It was a decision that the EU is a problem and needs to be got rid of. But in a classic show of why the decision was correct, instead of blaming the EU for imposing trade sanctions on your industry, you blame the UK for voting to leave even though it's entirely the EU's retaliation that is to blame for your predicament. There is nothing that requires them to block Europeans from trading with the UK. The EU's actions are not inevitable. They are deliberate, spiteful and driven by the fear of a loss of political power. Take your anger to Brussels.

NetStrikeForce 10y ago
> You don't even consider that maybe the EU could just ... not do anything. "Not do anything" means the UK is not part of the EU hence the UK has no trade deal with the EU. The defaults are WTO rules, which is TARIFFS and no passporting just to be over-simplistic. The WORST deal for everyone. > There is no problem with euro-related transactions being handled in London. There is. The EU would actually need to change the law to allow London to keep operating while not being part of the EU. It is the UK who's leaving. Why do you try to paint it as retaliation? > The vote was not a decision that you weren't "worth it". Yes, it was. EU immigration was a big part of the vote and the other, namely what you wrote --> "It was a decision that the EU is a problem and needs to be got rid of." is the "not worth it" part. For you, it's not worth to keep us around. I respect your opinion, but please also respect my distaste for it. > But in a classic show of why the decision was correct, instead of blaming the EU for imposing trade sanctions on your industry, you blame the UK for voting to leave even though it's entirely the EU's retaliation that is to blame for your predicament. It's not trade sanctions, it's the lack of a trade deal. You must have been supermad at Makro when you stopped paying for your membership and lost your right to buy there, right? Those filthy revengeful Makro workers, imposing trading sanctions on YOU nonetheless! > The EU's actions are not inevitable. Agreed. The UK just has to reach an agreement that satisfies both parts. > They are deliberate, spiteful and driven by the fear of a loss of political power. No, they're not. The UK's decision to eat their cake and have (which you don't seem to be able to grasp - where does this delusion come from?) is the only deliberate and spiteful action here. > Take your anger to Brussels. Good luck for the future. You're going to need (and what's even worse - I'll need it because of delusional people like you as I live in the UK too).