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Has been shit under everyone. I really think there are core issues with that product not a question of leadership.

deong 10y ago
I think that is a question of leadership. Writing robust and reliable TCP/IP services isn't the wild blue unknown. People know how to do this. If Apple can't do it in 2017, it's because they haven't made doing it a priority.
Mtinie 10y ago
Right, but the comment I was replying to implied that software problems under Jobs were unheard of. iTunes never "just worked", even when Jobs was running the show. The leadership issue was not expecting the same level of polish and ease-of-use that the rest of the product line offered for iTunes that was lavished on the iPod and iPhone lines. Whether or not it was bad architectural decisions at the beginning, an unfamiliar toolkit, or something else, as a primary application for the OS X and iOS platforms, I have always expected it should be vastly better than what it is.
- charlesism 10y ago
  > software problems under Jobs were unheard of. Software problems are never unheard of anywhere. But it's absurd revisionism to take Steve Jobs - the guy behind Mac OS and iOS - and state that Apple had problems releasing good software under his leadership. > iTunes never "just worked" Yes, it did! Either your memory is playing tricks on you, or you aren't old enough to remember early versions of iTunes. iTunes wasn't born bad. It became bad.
  - Mtinie 10y ago
    Probably my memory then. Your criticism is fair. I'll try to mentally split iTunes into two epochs -- Before-iPhone and After-iPhone. iTunes worked reasonably when it was simply a music library and store, with a simple integration to connect your iPod. Since 2007, meh...
    - charlesism 10y ago
      2007 sounds about right to me, too. The last great feature I recall was "podcasts", which wikipedia says was 2005. By 2010 they were adding crap like "Ping".
charlesism 10y ago
> Has been shit under everyone. All software is "shit" to some extent. It was just less so under SJ.

deong 10y ago

I think that is a question of leadership. Writing robust and reliable TCP/IP services isn't the wild blue unknown. People know how to do this. If Apple can't do it in 2017, it's because they haven't made doing it a priority.

Mtinie 10y ago

Right, but the comment I was replying to implied that software problems under Jobs were unheard of. iTunes never "just worked", even when Jobs was running the show. The leadership issue was not expecting the same level of polish and ease-of-use that the rest of the product line offered for iTunes that was lavished on the iPod and iPhone lines. Whether or not it was bad architectural decisions at the beginning, an unfamiliar toolkit, or something else, as a primary application for the OS X and iOS platforms, I have always expected it should be vastly better than what it is.

charlesism 10y ago
> software problems under Jobs were unheard of. Software problems are never unheard of anywhere. But it's absurd revisionism to take Steve Jobs - the guy behind Mac OS and iOS - and state that Apple had problems releasing good software under his leadership. > iTunes never "just worked" Yes, it did! Either your memory is playing tricks on you, or you aren't old enough to remember early versions of iTunes. iTunes wasn't born bad. It became bad.
- Mtinie 10y ago
  Probably my memory then. Your criticism is fair. I'll try to mentally split iTunes into two epochs -- Before-iPhone and After-iPhone. iTunes worked reasonably when it was simply a music library and store, with a simple integration to connect your iPod. Since 2007, meh...
  - charlesism 10y ago
    2007 sounds about right to me, too. The last great feature I recall was "podcasts", which wikipedia says was 2005. By 2010 they were adding crap like "Ping".

charlesism 10y ago

> Has been shit under everyone. All software is "shit" to some extent. It was just less so under SJ.