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There is no equivalency between deleting criminal justice records, which should and normally do remain private unless used in a court of law, and removing infor

by bb611 10y ago

There is no equivalency between deleting criminal justice records, which should and normally do remain private unless used in a court of law, and removing information that's been released the public sphere.

leereeves 10y ago
"After leaving my 15 year career at DHS, I can no longer be silent about the dangerous state of America’s counter-terror strategy, our leaders’ willingness to compromise the security of citizens for the ideological rigidity of political correctness—and, consequently, our vulnerability to devastating, mass-casualty attack." Both are stories about deleting information that doesn't fit a political agenda. There's an option between releasing and deleting information about suspected terrorists. Unless you're saying the suspected terrorists were cleared? If so, what's your source?
- bb611 10y ago
  > Both are stories about deleting information that doesn't fit a political agenda. One set of information is public, one is private. The information we're discussing is public - this recently released trove of CIA documents and NOAA & NASA climate data for instance. The DHS' internal database of terrorism suspects is private unless used specifically to prosecute individuals for crimes. If your claim is that the DHS should publicly release data about terrorism suspects, that's another debate, although a spurious one. We've done that before, it was called McCarthyism, and it left an indelible negative mark on the US government. If DHS were to engage in such behavior it would likely be challenged and reversed on 6th amendment grounds.
  - leereeves 10y ago
    My claim is that tracking terrorists is important, not that such information should be made public. Information about terrorists should remain private, but it shouldn't be deleted.
    - npiazza83 10y ago
      Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Let us move forward, then, into a new era of openness, effectiveness, and accountability, intent on preserving what ought to be preserved, perfecting what needs to be perfected, and pruning wherever we find practices that ought to be prohibited.
- GFK_of_xmaspast 10y ago
  In this, as in so many other ways of life, anybody saying 'political correctness' in seriousness can be ignored.
  - leereeves 10y ago
    What would you call it when crimes are covered up because of the race of the offenders? As, for example, in Cologne. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/06/tensions-rise-in-germany-over-handling-of-mass-sexual-assaults-in-cologne https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/06/tensions-rise-... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-police-ordered-to-remove-word-rape-from-reports-into-new-year-s-eve-sexual-assaults-a6972471.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-polic...

by bb611 10y ago

leereeves 10y ago

"After leaving my 15 year career at DHS, I can no longer be silent about the dangerous state of America’s counter-terror strategy, our leaders’ willingness to compromise the security of citizens for the ideological rigidity of political correctness—and, consequently, our vulnerability to devastating, mass-casualty attack." Both are stories about deleting information that doesn't fit a political agenda. There's an option between releasing and deleting information about suspected terrorists. Unless you're saying the suspected terrorists were cleared? If so, what's your source?

bb611 10y ago
> Both are stories about deleting information that doesn't fit a political agenda. One set of information is public, one is private. The information we're discussing is public - this recently released trove of CIA documents and NOAA & NASA climate data for instance. The DHS' internal database of terrorism suspects is private unless used specifically to prosecute individuals for crimes. If your claim is that the DHS should publicly release data about terrorism suspects, that's another debate, although a spurious one. We've done that before, it was called McCarthyism, and it left an indelible negative mark on the US government. If DHS were to engage in such behavior it would likely be challenged and reversed on 6th amendment grounds.
- leereeves 10y ago
  My claim is that tracking terrorists is important, not that such information should be made public. Information about terrorists should remain private, but it shouldn't be deleted.
  - npiazza83 10y ago
    Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Let us move forward, then, into a new era of openness, effectiveness, and accountability, intent on preserving what ought to be preserved, perfecting what needs to be perfected, and pruning wherever we find practices that ought to be prohibited.
GFK_of_xmaspast 10y ago
In this, as in so many other ways of life, anybody saying 'political correctness' in seriousness can be ignored.
- leereeves 10y ago
  What would you call it when crimes are covered up because of the race of the offenders? As, for example, in Cologne. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/06/tensions-rise-in-germany-over-handling-of-mass-sexual-assaults-in-cologne https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/06/tensions-rise-... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-police-ordered-to-remove-word-rape-from-reports-into-new-year-s-eve-sexual-assaults-a6972471.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-polic...