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I have no respect for you, since it was an agreed upon settlement that reflected the penalty that the landlord would have faced had he gone to trial, and that p

by jibalt 10y ago

I have no respect for you, since it was an agreed upon settlement that reflected the penalty that the landlord would have faced had he gone to trial, and that penalty wasn't set by the tenant.

crimsonalucard 10y ago
There is no need to get personal here. I am stating my opinion of these two people as a bystander, you are making a personal remark to me. There are limits to an agreement. In terms of respect, I respect people who value logic, reason and morality over terms of an agreement. Your point taken to the logical conclusion means that agreements can override everything including human rights. 400,000 is unreasonable. Although the tenant didn't set the penalty she was rewarded not compensated for her troubles. Sure the word of the law is final, but did the tenant deserve 400K? No. The tenant does not deserve 400k as much as the tenant does not deserve to have rent prices used to kick her out.
- dvdhnt 10y ago
  jibalt should have said they don't respect your conclusion given that the parties involved came to an agreement. The tenant is not getting $400k, there's no world where the attorney doesn't take at least half of that through hourly and itemized billing. We also don't know how this would affect the landlord's ability to retain, sell, or lease the apartment in the future had they lost this suit. I'm going to go ahead and assume, however recklessly, that the landlord can afford the penalty since they both agreed on it and were the beneficiary of at least one estate.
  - jibalt 10y ago
    The point is that I can't respect someone who so blatantly misdirects blame at the tenant when, as I said, the terms of the agreement are due to facts not created by the tenant.
- jibalt 10y ago
  "In terms of respect, I respect people who value logic, reason and morality over terms of an agreement" Then you, like me, have no respect for you. Again, you are blaming the tenant for the amount of the settlement when that amount is due to factors that the tenant did not create ... if you bother to read the article, you will see mention of the triple damages that could have been awarded -- that was set by society, not by the tenant. If you don't want personal comments, then don't be so cavalier about making public proclamations of disrespect for others ... especially when they are victims of atrocious behavior. The landlord willfully violated the law for their own benefit and at the expense of the tenant. They are lucky that it's only a civil penalty that they can afford, rather than being thrown in the hoosegow. "did the tenant deserve 400K?" See how you change the subject, from whether the tenant deserves respect as a human being, to whether they deserve a 400K payment? That sort of thing is why I have no respect for you.
  - crimsonalucard 10y ago
    I am not blaming the tenant for the amount. I am saying I do not respect the tenant. The tenant does not deserve 400k which can be about half way to buying a house in certain parts of the bay area. I cannot respect someone who accepts a penalty fee he or she does not deserve. IMO The tenant deserves at most 30k for her troubles. 400k is immoral, illogical and unreasonable.
    - jibalt 10y ago
      And I do not respect you for your heartlessness, illogic, intellectual dishonesty, and immorality ... what, you expect her to turn down a settlement offered by the landlord? No, you don't really, and you wouldn't yourself. The woman suffered through breast cancer while couch surfing during her eviction, for God's sake. Bad people disrespecting good people is the new world order. I'm done with you and will now bathe.

by jibalt 10y ago

I have no respect for you, since it was an agreed upon settlement that reflected the penalty that the landlord would have faced had he gone to trial, and that penalty wasn't set by the tenant.

crimsonalucard 10y ago

There is no need to get personal here. I am stating my opinion of these two people as a bystander, you are making a personal remark to me. There are limits to an agreement. In terms of respect, I respect people who value logic, reason and morality over terms of an agreement. Your point taken to the logical conclusion means that agreements can override everything including human rights. 400,000 is unreasonable. Although the tenant didn't set the penalty she was rewarded not compensated for her troubles. Sure the word of the law is final, but did the tenant deserve 400K? No. The tenant does not deserve 400k as much as the tenant does not deserve to have rent prices used to kick her out.

dvdhnt 10y ago
jibalt should have said they don't respect your conclusion given that the parties involved came to an agreement. The tenant is not getting $400k, there's no world where the attorney doesn't take at least half of that through hourly and itemized billing. We also don't know how this would affect the landlord's ability to retain, sell, or lease the apartment in the future had they lost this suit. I'm going to go ahead and assume, however recklessly, that the landlord can afford the penalty since they both agreed on it and were the beneficiary of at least one estate.
- jibalt 10y ago
  The point is that I can't respect someone who so blatantly misdirects blame at the tenant when, as I said, the terms of the agreement are due to facts not created by the tenant.
jibalt 10y ago
"In terms of respect, I respect people who value logic, reason and morality over terms of an agreement" Then you, like me, have no respect for you. Again, you are blaming the tenant for the amount of the settlement when that amount is due to factors that the tenant did not create ... if you bother to read the article, you will see mention of the triple damages that could have been awarded -- that was set by society, not by the tenant. If you don't want personal comments, then don't be so cavalier about making public proclamations of disrespect for others ... especially when they are victims of atrocious behavior. The landlord willfully violated the law for their own benefit and at the expense of the tenant. They are lucky that it's only a civil penalty that they can afford, rather than being thrown in the hoosegow. "did the tenant deserve 400K?" See how you change the subject, from whether the tenant deserves respect as a human being, to whether they deserve a 400K payment? That sort of thing is why I have no respect for you.
- crimsonalucard 10y ago
  I am not blaming the tenant for the amount. I am saying I do not respect the tenant. The tenant does not deserve 400k which can be about half way to buying a house in certain parts of the bay area. I cannot respect someone who accepts a penalty fee he or she does not deserve. IMO The tenant deserves at most 30k for her troubles. 400k is immoral, illogical and unreasonable.
  - jibalt 10y ago
    And I do not respect you for your heartlessness, illogic, intellectual dishonesty, and immorality ... what, you expect her to turn down a settlement offered by the landlord? No, you don't really, and you wouldn't yourself. The woman suffered through breast cancer while couch surfing during her eviction, for God's sake. Bad people disrespecting good people is the new world order. I'm done with you and will now bathe.