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Forget what? There was no pardon by Obama, so that agreement does not apply. Why would you want to detract from the good news of Chelsea having a release date

Forget what? There was no pardon by Obama, so that agreement does not apply. Why would you want to detract from the good news of Chelsea having a release date in the very near future and conflate that with a different issue regarding Assange?

detaro 10y ago
If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ case https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/819630102787059713 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/819630102787059713 Commuting the sentence is "granting clemency", isn't it?
nothrabannosir 10y ago
"If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ (US Department of Justice) case," WikiLeaks wrote on Twitter. - https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-releases-whistleblower-222625053.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-rel... What is the difference between a commutation of sentence and a pardon? In the federal system, commutation of sentence and pardon are different forms of executive clemency, which is a broad term that applies to the President’s constitutional power to exercise leniency toward persons who have committed federal crimes. - https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions-concerning-executive-clemency#1 https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions-co... I.e.: commutation ∈ clemency.
- lqdc13 10y ago
  So let's pretend the sentence was reduced by a week instead. Would that still be the same thing?
  - Analemma_ 10y ago
    Then Obama's action would be the letter of clemency but not the spirit, and there would be room for disagreement about whether Assange should keep his word. But since that's not what happened and Obama's actual action honors both the letter and the spirit of clemency, there's nothing worth debating here.
    - lqdc13 10y ago
      Didn't realize the sentence was reduced by so much. Apparently only a few months are left in the sentence.
  - rad88 10y ago
    It wouldn't be the same thing. But that didn't happen, her sentence was reduced by 2-3 decades and she'll be out in a few months. It's clearly clemency.
  - _jordan_green 10y ago
    That's a very interesting scenario, Mr Devil's Advocate

detaro 10y ago

If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ case https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/819630102787059713 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/819630102787059713 Commuting the sentence is "granting clemency", isn't it?

nothrabannosir 10y ago

"If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ (US Department of Justice) case," WikiLeaks wrote on Twitter. - https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-releases-whistleblower-222625053.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-rel... What is the difference between a commutation of sentence and a pardon? In the federal system, commutation of sentence and pardon are different forms of executive clemency, which is a broad term that applies to the President’s constitutional power to exercise leniency toward persons who have committed federal crimes. - https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions-concerning-executive-clemency#1 https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions-co... I.e.: commutation ∈ clemency.

lqdc13 10y ago
So let's pretend the sentence was reduced by a week instead. Would that still be the same thing?
- Analemma_ 10y ago
  Then Obama's action would be the letter of clemency but not the spirit, and there would be room for disagreement about whether Assange should keep his word. But since that's not what happened and Obama's actual action honors both the letter and the spirit of clemency, there's nothing worth debating here.
  - lqdc13 10y ago
    Didn't realize the sentence was reduced by so much. Apparently only a few months are left in the sentence.
- rad88 10y ago
  It wouldn't be the same thing. But that didn't happen, her sentence was reduced by 2-3 decades and she'll be out in a few months. It's clearly clemency.
- _jordan_green 10y ago
  That's a very interesting scenario, Mr Devil's Advocate