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how much you wanna bet that Julian Assange will conveniently forget his agreement to be extradited if Manning gets pardoned? https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-

how much you wanna bet that Julian Assange will conveniently forget his agreement to be extradited if Manning gets pardoned? https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-releases-whistleblower-222625053.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-rel...

noja 10y ago
He didn't pardon her.
- skolos 10y ago
  The article was talking about clemency, not pardon.
- cadlin 10y ago
  This DoJ list of clemency recipients includes both pardons and commutations. https://www.justice.gov/pardon/clemencyrecipients https://www.justice.gov/pardon/clemencyrecipients
- ceejayoz 10y ago
  https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/819630102787059713 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/819630102787059713 "If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ case"
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mona_simpson 10y ago
Forget what? There was no pardon by Obama, so that agreement does not apply. Why would you want to detract from the good news of Chelsea having a release date in the very near future and conflate that with a different issue regarding Assange?
- detaro 10y ago
  If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ case https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/819630102787059713 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/819630102787059713 Commuting the sentence is "granting clemency", isn't it?
- nothrabannosir 10y ago
  "If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ (US Department of Justice) case," WikiLeaks wrote on Twitter. - https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-releases-whistleblower-222625053.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-rel... What is the difference between a commutation of sentence and a pardon? In the federal system, commutation of sentence and pardon are different forms of executive clemency, which is a broad term that applies to the President’s constitutional power to exercise leniency toward persons who have committed federal crimes. - https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions-concerning-executive-clemency#1 https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions-co... I.e.: commutation ∈ clemency.
  - lqdc13 10y ago
    So let's pretend the sentence was reduced by a week instead. Would that still be the same thing?
    - Analemma_ 10y ago
      Then Obama's action would be the letter of clemency but not the spirit, and there would be room for disagreement about whether Assange should keep his word. But since that's not what happened and Obama's actual action honors both the letter and the spirit of clemency, there's nothing worth debating here.
      - lqdc13 10y ago
        Didn't realize the sentence was reduced by so much. Apparently only a few months are left in the sentence.
skolos 10y ago
"If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ (US Department of Justice) case," WikiLeaks wrote on Twitter.
- notahacker 10y ago
  convenient for him to agree to be extradited to a country that hasn't requested his extradition, not the one that has...
  - zepto 10y ago
    That can be changed
    - Analemma_ 10y ago
      I know these days we're all treating it as an established fact that Sweden's extradition request for Assange is actually a cover for him to be further extradited to the United States, but it has never actually been proven.
      - jacobush 10y ago
        Given how Swedish ministers dirtied their hands when the MPAA wanted them to interfere in Pirate Bay investigations... I will require proof they WOULD NOT say "how high?" if the Dept of Justice of the USA asked them to jump.
      - lettergram 10y ago
        Didn't the women drop all charges, if they even charged him in the first place? I think it's fair to assume, given the circumstances
        notahacker 10y ago
        No, the case was originally reopened at the request of their lawyer, and we have relatively recent statements from them insisting they want the case to proceed http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/julian-assange-rape-victim-criticises-un-decision-over-detention-a6857796.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/julian-assange-rape...
zeofig 10y ago
Not nearly as much as the amount I would bet that Manning will never get pardoned.
464192002d7fe1c 10y ago
the clemency is also 6 months into the future. presumably, at that time, things will in a slightly less absurdist position for someone like him. I cannot imagine him getting anything resembling a fair trial right now. In 6 months? sure.
RubenSandwich 10y ago
I would not be surprised if he does not honor that as the incoming president will likely be even harsher on an Assange trial then an Obama presidency would be.
- csours 10y ago
  Assange has only to say something nice about Trump, and all will be forgiven[0]. 0. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/08/donald-trumps-answer-on-russia-and-vladimir-putin-at-the-commander-in-chief-forum-was-bananas https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/08/do...
imron 10y ago
Don't bet too much: "Assange lawyer @themtchair on Assange-Manning extradition 'deal': "Everything that he has said he's standing by."" https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/821528189625372672 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/821528189625372672

noja 10y ago

He didn't pardon her.

skolos 10y ago
The article was talking about clemency, not pardon.
cadlin 10y ago
This DoJ list of clemency recipients includes both pardons and commutations. https://www.justice.gov/pardon/clemencyrecipients https://www.justice.gov/pardon/clemencyrecipients
ceejayoz 10y ago
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/819630102787059713 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/819630102787059713 "If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ case"

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mona_simpson 10y ago

Forget what? There was no pardon by Obama, so that agreement does not apply. Why would you want to detract from the good news of Chelsea having a release date in the very near future and conflate that with a different issue regarding Assange?

detaro 10y ago
If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ case https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/819630102787059713 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/819630102787059713 Commuting the sentence is "granting clemency", isn't it?
nothrabannosir 10y ago
"If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ (US Department of Justice) case," WikiLeaks wrote on Twitter. - https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-releases-whistleblower-222625053.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-rel... What is the difference between a commutation of sentence and a pardon? In the federal system, commutation of sentence and pardon are different forms of executive clemency, which is a broad term that applies to the President’s constitutional power to exercise leniency toward persons who have committed federal crimes. - https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions-concerning-executive-clemency#1 https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions-co... I.e.: commutation ∈ clemency.
- lqdc13 10y ago
  So let's pretend the sentence was reduced by a week instead. Would that still be the same thing?
  - Analemma_ 10y ago
    Then Obama's action would be the letter of clemency but not the spirit, and there would be room for disagreement about whether Assange should keep his word. But since that's not what happened and Obama's actual action honors both the letter and the spirit of clemency, there's nothing worth debating here.
    - lqdc13 10y ago
      Didn't realize the sentence was reduced by so much. Apparently only a few months are left in the sentence.

skolos 10y ago

"If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ (US Department of Justice) case," WikiLeaks wrote on Twitter.

notahacker 10y ago
convenient for him to agree to be extradited to a country that hasn't requested his extradition, not the one that has...
- zepto 10y ago
  That can be changed
  - Analemma_ 10y ago
    I know these days we're all treating it as an established fact that Sweden's extradition request for Assange is actually a cover for him to be further extradited to the United States, but it has never actually been proven.
    - jacobush 10y ago
      Given how Swedish ministers dirtied their hands when the MPAA wanted them to interfere in Pirate Bay investigations... I will require proof they WOULD NOT say "how high?" if the Dept of Justice of the USA asked them to jump.
    - lettergram 10y ago
      Didn't the women drop all charges, if they even charged him in the first place? I think it's fair to assume, given the circumstances
      - notahacker 10y ago
        No, the case was originally reopened at the request of their lawyer, and we have relatively recent statements from them insisting they want the case to proceed http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/julian-assange-rape-victim-criticises-un-decision-over-detention-a6857796.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/julian-assange-rape...

zeofig 10y ago

Not nearly as much as the amount I would bet that Manning will never get pardoned.

464192002d7fe1c 10y ago

the clemency is also 6 months into the future. presumably, at that time, things will in a slightly less absurdist position for someone like him. I cannot imagine him getting anything resembling a fair trial right now. In 6 months? sure.

RubenSandwich 10y ago

I would not be surprised if he does not honor that as the incoming president will likely be even harsher on an Assange trial then an Obama presidency would be.

csours 10y ago
Assange has only to say something nice about Trump, and all will be forgiven[0]. 0. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/08/donald-trumps-answer-on-russia-and-vladimir-putin-at-the-commander-in-chief-forum-was-bananas https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/08/do...

imron 10y ago

Don't bet too much: "Assange lawyer @themtchair on Assange-Manning extradition 'deal': "Everything that he has said he's standing by."" https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/821528189625372672 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/821528189625372672