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I hope this will set the tone for how whistleblowers are treated in the future, and I wonder what the President Elect has to say about this.
by qz_ 10y ago
I hope this will set the tone for how whistleblowers are treated in the future, and I wonder what the President Elect has to say about this.
- ssully 10y agoI am confident he will have a few tweets about this before tomorrow morning. Does anyone know if President Elect Trump has the authority to overturn this sentence commuting?
- rosser 10y agoSubsequent presidents can "un-pardon" people pardoned by previous presidents, so I have a hard time imagining that a commutation is somehow immune to that kind of thing. EDIT: See follow-ups. I may be mistaken here, and need to run to a meeting, so I can't dig any more now. EDIT 2: http://swampland.time.com/2008/12/25/more-on-pardons/ http://swampland.time.com/2008/12/25/more-on-pardons/ Relevant quote, "Ulysses S. Grant’s first clemency decision, on his third day in office, was to revoke two pardons granted by Andrew Johnson. Both men challenged Grant’s power to do so, and lost their case in federal court." EDIT 3: Here's the link to the blog post linked from the Time article, in edit 2, from the Wayback Machine, for sake of completeness. http://web.archive.org/web/20090212091707/http://pardonpower.com/2008/12/on-revocation-of-pardons.html http://web.archive.org/web/20090212091707/http://pardonpower...
- hackuser 10y ago> Subsequent presidents can "un-pardon" people pardoned by previous presidents I've never heard that, never heard of it happening, and don't believe it's true. However, I've never researched it. Can you cite an example or a source?
- rosser 10y agoI remember reading something some time ago about Grant having reversed some of Johnson's pardons, but I'm not finding a reference to specifics, so I may be mistaken. EDIT: Found it. See my post up-thread for a link.
- voxic11 10y agoIN RE DE PUY, the court found that a prisoner pardoned by the previous administration could have his pardon revoked by the following administration so long as the pardon had not yet been delivered and accepted by the prisoner.
- Jtsummers 10y agoHow can they unpardon them? The conviction has been undone, and we don't permit double jeopardy (constitutionally prohibited) so a second charge for the same crime can't be filed. From my brief google searches, it seems that it cannot be undone, by the Congress, by the Courts, nor by the President.
- voxic11 10y agoIt can and has been undone before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Toussie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Toussie
- unclenoriega 10y agoThis is not the same and relies on the pardon/commutation not being fully executed.
- jeffcore 10y agoThe President doesn't have the power to unilaterally reimpose criminal consequences, which is what an unpardon would amount to. Instead, subsequent Presidents would have to argue the person was never really pardoned in the first place. George W. Bush did this with Isaac Toussie.
- hackuser 10y agoTo be clear, Bush both pardoned and 'unpardoned' Toussie. He wasn't undoing a prior President's action.
- FireBeyond 10y agoNot arbitrarily. If it's a conditional commutation, then there would need to be hearings to document and assert the violations of those conditions first.
- TillE 10y agoA 7-year prison sentence is about what you get for horrible violent crime in most of the civilized world. That's not a great "tone" to set.
- LordKano 10y agoAs the son of a murder victim, 7 years is not enough for horrible, violent crimes.
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