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Fired IT employee offered to unlock data for $200,000

28 points by sbuttgereit 10y ago

unstatusthequo 10y ago
Down for me. But as a lawyer who deals with dissidents like this, extortion typically costs the requester far more.
- RickS 10y ago
  >So far, Williams has failed to appear for multiple hearings in Indianapolis. Marion Superior Judge Heather Welch issued a default judgment in September and ordered Williams pay the college $248,350 in damages. sounds like you're right
  - charlesdm 10y ago
    That's quite a price to pay for being an idiot. Either he should've argued he didn't have the password (it was on the drive they erased), or he should've just given it to them. If he wanted to "stick it to them", he should've gone with the first option.
    - jlgaddis 10y ago
      That was a default judgment because he didn't show up for court. He automatically lost.
    - Brockenstein 10y ago
      Or option C. use his position as the sole admin of the account to do a simple recovery. Turn it over to the college, get it it in writing that everything is squared away concerning that account. Ending on that high note, I feel like he could ask for a good reference and clear up their history. "I wasn't willing to relocate and things didn't work out. I handled this request in good faith and I'd appreciate a good reference for past work and the handling of this issue." Alternatively trying to bill them reasonably for contract/freelance/consulting work would probably be OK too.
flukus 10y ago
> Williams told the school the password had been saved on a laptop computer that he returned to the school in May. The college, however, claims Williams erased the laptop's hard drive and installed a new operating system. Williams' lawyer told IndyStar that the college must have erased the hard dive. Not as clear cut as the title makes it sound. I wonder if their are also ambiguities as to who's account and password it is? Either way, the school is also guilty of only having a single administrator account, they were still only a single bus away from the same issue occurring.
- Brockenstein 10y ago
  Aside from William's bad faith $200,000 shenanigans. It's the college's account and regardless of how and why Williams was the sole adminstrator, holding it hostage when he should have turned it over originally is a problem. So for me it does seem clear cut. Additionally seeing as he was the administrator wouldn't that be part of HIS job to protect the school from those sorts outcomes like being hit by a bus? I mean you say "the school is guilty" but there is a certain expectation that IT will follow best practices. And if they don't? You would need outside auditing to uncover that. And depending on the legal requirements that may be a tough pill to swallow budget-wise, especially if you haven't been burnt yet. It seems like Williams was pissed at the circumstances and thought this would be a good idea. And fortunately his claims can be tested. Google ought to be able to determine when the passwords were changed. It should be simple analysis to determine if and when the laptop was formatted (before or after Williams returned it) and go from there. Just too much of Williams claims are bogus. Of course an Indiana based company is going to file in Indiana... and the claim that they removed his access to the system, so how could he change the Google account password that he was the sole admin on? That's going to hold up for about six seconds in court... And trying to charge $200,000 to recover an account he was still the owner of and not being surprised when that blew up in his face. It's just incompetent and while William's may not be the only incompetent in the mix, it's not a license to behave as he has, in my opinion.
intherdfield 10y ago
The article describes how a college with 2000 student email accounts couldn't get Google to unlock their administrator account. And it wasn't resolved by Google until the legal situation with the fired IT employee made the news. The college switched to another cloud provider. It sounds one-sided, but also believable. From the article, <quote> School officials asked Google for help. Google, the college said, refused to grant access to anyone other than Williams, who was listed as the account's sole administrator. ... About 12 hours after an IndyStar reporter contacted Google representatives on Friday, the college's attorney, Scott Preston, said the internet company unlocked the account and returned control of the emails and data to the school. Before that resolution, Preston told IndyStar: "The college has done all it can to resolve this short of police intervention or suing Google." </quote>
- pawadu 10y ago
  If you are a Google customer just take a minute to think about this: What would happen to your business if your IT guy was hit by a bus?
  - geon 10y ago
    The "buss factor".
  - swalsh 10y ago
    Make sure your IT guy registers the account in the business name, and not yours. That's the crux of the issue. It's like putting your real estate agents name on the deed to your house instead of yours.
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aaronhoffman 10y ago
I don't see this guy working in IT again
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- sbuttgereit 10y ago
  Yep, this is why I Google/search candidates I'm considering. Truth be told, I could care less about the unfortunately photo from last year's New Year's Eve party that got posted on a candidate's Facebook page and somehow I came across and much more interested in finding out what may or may not be a direct reflection on professional judgment. One time mistakes, like a drunken party happen, a wrong course of action consistently held is disqualifying. Not only should this guy not work in I.T. again, but he shouldn't work in any career that grants him a modicum of trust. Over time he might change his ways, but I'd need to see clear evidence of that before I'd consider hiring him. Of course, everything is contextual, too.
sbuttgereit 10y ago
This sort of thing pops up from time-to-time and I expect it to be somewhat more common that it is reported. Having said that, what I found interesting was more about such stories might have to say about the role of professional ethics for technologists: how really developed the thinking is and how mindful practitioners are about having a professional ethic. When we look at many areas in technology, we really are often times granting a significant amount of real power to individual technology practitioners within organizations (or even society in some cases). Take the guy in the story: my guess was he was a run-of-the-mill small organization sysadmin, probably not very senior as a professional, but with the power to stop all of the students from being able to work on their educations as normal. The kind of power we put into relatively low ranking/low experienced individuals because they are technologists more often than not far exceeds the power of any other kind of worker in an organization, save for CxOs. Also, there's a matter of managerial ethics in regard to managing staff and allowing these kinds of threats to exist (as others have pointed out). I don't know that I have the answers on how to bring a better consciousness of this sort of thing to the workplace, but I do find it interesting to think about (and do care about it myself as a professional in the field). Maybe technical interviews should have some discussion of how candidate think of their potential role from an ethical point of view. I do know some of the professional societies also address it for themselves (I'm an ACM member, and they're going through a Code of Ethics revision http://ethics.acm.org/code-of-ethics/code-2018/ http://ethics.acm.org/code-of-ethics/code-2018/).
moftz 10y ago
They laid off their entire IT staff because no one wanted to move to Indiana. You would think after the first few declined the transfer, the company would reconsider that policy. The entire college is online so I don't see why you would require your entire IT staff to be in the office other than a couple local guys for desktop support.

28 points by sbuttgereit 10y ago

unstatusthequo 10y ago

Down for me. But as a lawyer who deals with dissidents like this, extortion typically costs the requester far more.

RickS 10y ago
>So far, Williams has failed to appear for multiple hearings in Indianapolis. Marion Superior Judge Heather Welch issued a default judgment in September and ordered Williams pay the college $248,350 in damages. sounds like you're right
- charlesdm 10y ago
  That's quite a price to pay for being an idiot. Either he should've argued he didn't have the password (it was on the drive they erased), or he should've just given it to them. If he wanted to "stick it to them", he should've gone with the first option.
  - jlgaddis 10y ago
    That was a default judgment because he didn't show up for court. He automatically lost.
  - Brockenstein 10y ago
    Or option C. use his position as the sole admin of the account to do a simple recovery. Turn it over to the college, get it it in writing that everything is squared away concerning that account. Ending on that high note, I feel like he could ask for a good reference and clear up their history. "I wasn't willing to relocate and things didn't work out. I handled this request in good faith and I'd appreciate a good reference for past work and the handling of this issue." Alternatively trying to bill them reasonably for contract/freelance/consulting work would probably be OK too.

flukus 10y ago

> Williams told the school the password had been saved on a laptop computer that he returned to the school in May. The college, however, claims Williams erased the laptop's hard drive and installed a new operating system. Williams' lawyer told IndyStar that the college must have erased the hard dive. Not as clear cut as the title makes it sound. I wonder if their are also ambiguities as to who's account and password it is? Either way, the school is also guilty of only having a single administrator account, they were still only a single bus away from the same issue occurring.

Brockenstein 10y ago
Aside from William's bad faith $200,000 shenanigans. It's the college's account and regardless of how and why Williams was the sole adminstrator, holding it hostage when he should have turned it over originally is a problem. So for me it does seem clear cut. Additionally seeing as he was the administrator wouldn't that be part of HIS job to protect the school from those sorts outcomes like being hit by a bus? I mean you say "the school is guilty" but there is a certain expectation that IT will follow best practices. And if they don't? You would need outside auditing to uncover that. And depending on the legal requirements that may be a tough pill to swallow budget-wise, especially if you haven't been burnt yet. It seems like Williams was pissed at the circumstances and thought this would be a good idea. And fortunately his claims can be tested. Google ought to be able to determine when the passwords were changed. It should be simple analysis to determine if and when the laptop was formatted (before or after Williams returned it) and go from there. Just too much of Williams claims are bogus. Of course an Indiana based company is going to file in Indiana... and the claim that they removed his access to the system, so how could he change the Google account password that he was the sole admin on? That's going to hold up for about six seconds in court... And trying to charge $200,000 to recover an account he was still the owner of and not being surprised when that blew up in his face. It's just incompetent and while William's may not be the only incompetent in the mix, it's not a license to behave as he has, in my opinion.

intherdfield 10y ago

The article describes how a college with 2000 student email accounts couldn't get Google to unlock their administrator account. And it wasn't resolved by Google until the legal situation with the fired IT employee made the news. The college switched to another cloud provider. It sounds one-sided, but also believable. From the article, <quote> School officials asked Google for help. Google, the college said, refused to grant access to anyone other than Williams, who was listed as the account's sole administrator. ... About 12 hours after an IndyStar reporter contacted Google representatives on Friday, the college's attorney, Scott Preston, said the internet company unlocked the account and returned control of the emails and data to the school. Before that resolution, Preston told IndyStar: "The college has done all it can to resolve this short of police intervention or suing Google." </quote>

pawadu 10y ago
If you are a Google customer just take a minute to think about this: What would happen to your business if your IT guy was hit by a bus?
- geon 10y ago
  The "buss factor".
- swalsh 10y ago
  Make sure your IT guy registers the account in the business name, and not yours. That's the crux of the issue. It's like putting your real estate agents name on the deed to your house instead of yours.
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aaronhoffman 10y ago

I don't see this guy working in IT again

deleted 10y ago
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sbuttgereit 10y ago
Yep, this is why I Google/search candidates I'm considering. Truth be told, I could care less about the unfortunately photo from last year's New Year's Eve party that got posted on a candidate's Facebook page and somehow I came across and much more interested in finding out what may or may not be a direct reflection on professional judgment. One time mistakes, like a drunken party happen, a wrong course of action consistently held is disqualifying. Not only should this guy not work in I.T. again, but he shouldn't work in any career that grants him a modicum of trust. Over time he might change his ways, but I'd need to see clear evidence of that before I'd consider hiring him. Of course, everything is contextual, too.

sbuttgereit 10y ago

This sort of thing pops up from time-to-time and I expect it to be somewhat more common that it is reported. Having said that, what I found interesting was more about such stories might have to say about the role of professional ethics for technologists: how really developed the thinking is and how mindful practitioners are about having a professional ethic. When we look at many areas in technology, we really are often times granting a significant amount of real power to individual technology practitioners within organizations (or even society in some cases). Take the guy in the story: my guess was he was a run-of-the-mill small organization sysadmin, probably not very senior as a professional, but with the power to stop all of the students from being able to work on their educations as normal. The kind of power we put into relatively low ranking/low experienced individuals because they are technologists more often than not far exceeds the power of any other kind of worker in an organization, save for CxOs. Also, there's a matter of managerial ethics in regard to managing staff and allowing these kinds of threats to exist (as others have pointed out). I don't know that I have the answers on how to bring a better consciousness of this sort of thing to the workplace, but I do find it interesting to think about (and do care about it myself as a professional in the field). Maybe technical interviews should have some discussion of how candidate think of their potential role from an ethical point of view. I do know some of the professional societies also address it for themselves (I'm an ACM member, and they're going through a Code of Ethics revision http://ethics.acm.org/code-of-ethics/code-2018/ http://ethics.acm.org/code-of-ethics/code-2018/).

moftz 10y ago

They laid off their entire IT staff because no one wanted to move to Indiana. You would think after the first few declined the transfer, the company would reconsider that policy. The entire college is online so I don't see why you would require your entire IT staff to be in the office other than a couple local guys for desktop support.