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What's the state of development of this? Did somebody use it with Raspberry pi? I want to use this over Clojure(only on pi) because I have read Clojure is slow

What's the state of development of this? Did somebody use it with Raspberry pi? I want to use this over Clojure(only on pi) because I have read Clojure is slow on Raspberry pi(even 3, not sure how true that is). Also, how fast is this? How does it compare to other lisps(or schemes) in terms of speed? Can someone port the benchmarks to https://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org https://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org.

empthought 10y ago
I have used Chicken Scheme on Raspberry Pi to good effect. Clojure is likely slow because the JVM runtime requires much more disk access than compiled-to-C systems.
- Flow 10y ago
  Have you tried any Clojure->Scheme compilers? After that stage you can use any Scheme->C/Whatever compiler.
  - Quequau 10y ago
    There are Clojure->Scheme compilers?
    - eatonphil 10y ago
      Close: https://github.com/takikawa/racket-clojure https://github.com/takikawa/racket-clojure https://docs.racket-lang.org/rackjure/index.html https://docs.racket-lang.org/rackjure/index.html
    - Flow 10y ago
      Yes, at least one, and I don't know how well it works. But here it is: https://github.com/takeoutweight/clojure-scheme https://github.com/takeoutweight/clojure-scheme
  - empthought 10y ago
    I don't see the point of Clojure without the JVM or without being the client side of a Clojure web application. Scheme is just fine by me.
throwaway7645 10y ago
I posted the link, but am not one of the developers. This got a little attention a couple of years ago, and I thought to look it up today. It has a nice website now at least. I really like the idea behind it (small install, lightweight, fast), but don't know how effective it will be without a larger community. I can honestly do without a lot of libraries as long as there are decent built-ins. I really wish Pixie just had a REPL and compiled to native code via LLVM so I could give coworkers a .exe. Edit: Just looked at the github page. It doesn't look very active to me although I wouldn't say dead. The only small lisps I know of in development are Picolisp and Newlisp.
- jacobush 10y ago
  PicoLisp is very small and extremely powerful at the same time. It has a built in Prolog...
  - throwaway7645 10y ago
    Do you use it though? I really like the concepts, but the speed could be better (I know Alexander talked about this), and docs could be more beginner friendly. It's a small expert community.
    - jacobush 10y ago
      I have used it in commercial embedded hardware shipping tens of thousands of units, in the USD 1000 range. Speed is excellent for the most part - where it's not it's trivial to call out to C libraries. Agree about docs but what would really help at this point would be more QA on Stackoverflow. And a good Windows port.
      - throwaway7645 10y ago
        Agreed on the Windows thing. I tend to stay away from Cygwin. I like the new Picolisp site btw. The code on Rosetta code is terse, and uses slightly different idioms than I'm used to.
ballpark 10y ago
Have you tried Clojurescript on nodejs for Raspberry pi? We have used nodejs on Raspberry Pi with success. I've wanted to try Clojurescript on it, but our shop doesn't use it. I imagine it would work great with it's good JS interop features.
mschaef 10y ago
I run some very simple Clojure [1] on an RPi 2 as part of a home monitoring system. Startup is considerably longer than on other platforms (30 sec or so), but I haven't had any issues with runtime performance, and having a Lisp running on what is essentially an embedded platform is very useful. (It'd be easy to make the argument that my agent code doesn't do much, but it doesn't diminish the fact that Clojure is able to usefully work on an RPi. :-)) https://github.com/mschaef/metlog/tree/master/metlog-agent https://github.com/mschaef/metlog/tree/master/metlog-agent
- abc_lisper 10y ago
  That is good to hear. Ordered my pi!
  - ThatGeoGuy 10y ago
    Not that I know if it helps, since you seem predisposed to Clojure, but CHICKEN Scheme on a Pi also works quite well. We even have direct bindings to GPIO and the like, since someone has gone ahead and packaged a library that speaks to the GPIO through the wiringPi project (http://wiki.call-cc.org/eggref/4/raspberry-pi-gpio http://wiki.call-cc.org/eggref/4/raspberry-pi-gpio).

empthought 10y ago

I have used Chicken Scheme on Raspberry Pi to good effect. Clojure is likely slow because the JVM runtime requires much more disk access than compiled-to-C systems.

Flow 10y ago
Have you tried any Clojure->Scheme compilers? After that stage you can use any Scheme->C/Whatever compiler.
- Quequau 10y ago
  There are Clojure->Scheme compilers?
  - eatonphil 10y ago
    Close: https://github.com/takikawa/racket-clojure https://github.com/takikawa/racket-clojure https://docs.racket-lang.org/rackjure/index.html https://docs.racket-lang.org/rackjure/index.html
  - Flow 10y ago
    Yes, at least one, and I don't know how well it works. But here it is: https://github.com/takeoutweight/clojure-scheme https://github.com/takeoutweight/clojure-scheme
- empthought 10y ago
  I don't see the point of Clojure without the JVM or without being the client side of a Clojure web application. Scheme is just fine by me.

throwaway7645 10y ago

I posted the link, but am not one of the developers. This got a little attention a couple of years ago, and I thought to look it up today. It has a nice website now at least. I really like the idea behind it (small install, lightweight, fast), but don't know how effective it will be without a larger community. I can honestly do without a lot of libraries as long as there are decent built-ins. I really wish Pixie just had a REPL and compiled to native code via LLVM so I could give coworkers a .exe. Edit: Just looked at the github page. It doesn't look very active to me although I wouldn't say dead. The only small lisps I know of in development are Picolisp and Newlisp.

jacobush 10y ago
PicoLisp is very small and extremely powerful at the same time. It has a built in Prolog...
- throwaway7645 10y ago
  Do you use it though? I really like the concepts, but the speed could be better (I know Alexander talked about this), and docs could be more beginner friendly. It's a small expert community.
  - jacobush 10y ago
    I have used it in commercial embedded hardware shipping tens of thousands of units, in the USD 1000 range. Speed is excellent for the most part - where it's not it's trivial to call out to C libraries. Agree about docs but what would really help at this point would be more QA on Stackoverflow. And a good Windows port.
    - throwaway7645 10y ago
      Agreed on the Windows thing. I tend to stay away from Cygwin. I like the new Picolisp site btw. The code on Rosetta code is terse, and uses slightly different idioms than I'm used to.

ballpark 10y ago

Have you tried Clojurescript on nodejs for Raspberry pi? We have used nodejs on Raspberry Pi with success. I've wanted to try Clojurescript on it, but our shop doesn't use it. I imagine it would work great with it's good JS interop features.

mschaef 10y ago

I run some very simple Clojure [1] on an RPi 2 as part of a home monitoring system. Startup is considerably longer than on other platforms (30 sec or so), but I haven't had any issues with runtime performance, and having a Lisp running on what is essentially an embedded platform is very useful. (It'd be easy to make the argument that my agent code doesn't do much, but it doesn't diminish the fact that Clojure is able to usefully work on an RPi. :-)) https://github.com/mschaef/metlog/tree/master/metlog-agent https://github.com/mschaef/metlog/tree/master/metlog-agent

abc_lisper 10y ago
That is good to hear. Ordered my pi!
- ThatGeoGuy 10y ago
  Not that I know if it helps, since you seem predisposed to Clojure, but CHICKEN Scheme on a Pi also works quite well. We even have direct bindings to GPIO and the like, since someone has gone ahead and packaged a library that speaks to the GPIO through the wiringPi project (http://wiki.call-cc.org/eggref/4/raspberry-pi-gpio http://wiki.call-cc.org/eggref/4/raspberry-pi-gpio).