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Googling: [site:nytimes.com] [renegade] [province] turns up only things like: "Beijing has maintained that Taiwan is a renegade province..." which is pe

by mturmon 10y ago

Googling: [site:nytimes.com] [renegade] [province] turns up only things like: "Beijing has maintained that Taiwan is a renegade province..." which is perfectly factual. I do agree with your larger point that a lot of stories in Western media are uncritical of the shortcomings and risks of the Chinese political system.

paradite 10y ago
That's interesting. Can you recommend me some pro-China Western media? I am having trouble finding one.
- mturmon 10y ago
  I should be more precise. I'm trying to say that much Western writing is not critical of the decisions the Chinese political system has made about how society is organized there, despite its costs for the country. (E.g., the fast building of roads, trains, and infrastructure; the responsiveness of its electronics industry -- these things have costs for the people of China, but their benefits are very unequally distributed.) I didn't mean to suggest that there is widespread Western cheerleading for China's political system, especially recently as Xi Jinpeng has consolidated power. What I was trying to capture is Western willingness to overlook the costs.
  - paradite 10y ago
    On the contrary, I keep getting the sort of news that you are missing, on my daily dose of social media. Just yesterday, I got this: http://www.economist.com/news/china/21714383-and-theres-lot-more-come-it-waste-money-china-has-built-worlds-largest http://www.economist.com/news/china/21714383-and-theres-lot-... And plenty more critical of govt decisions (ghost city, pollution, food safety) from this particular Facebook page which is quite popular for news in China: https://www.facebook.com/shanghaiist/ https://www.facebook.com/shanghaiist/
lacampbell 10y ago
Find an article about Kosovo. It's never referred to as a renegade province. They will simply state that Serbia doesn't recognise its independence. The position that is at odds with the facts on the ground is never given credibility.

by mturmon 10y ago

paradite 10y ago

That's interesting. Can you recommend me some pro-China Western media? I am having trouble finding one.

mturmon 10y ago
I should be more precise. I'm trying to say that much Western writing is not critical of the decisions the Chinese political system has made about how society is organized there, despite its costs for the country. (E.g., the fast building of roads, trains, and infrastructure; the responsiveness of its electronics industry -- these things have costs for the people of China, but their benefits are very unequally distributed.) I didn't mean to suggest that there is widespread Western cheerleading for China's political system, especially recently as Xi Jinpeng has consolidated power. What I was trying to capture is Western willingness to overlook the costs.
- paradite 10y ago
  On the contrary, I keep getting the sort of news that you are missing, on my daily dose of social media. Just yesterday, I got this: http://www.economist.com/news/china/21714383-and-theres-lot-more-come-it-waste-money-china-has-built-worlds-largest http://www.economist.com/news/china/21714383-and-theres-lot-... And plenty more critical of govt decisions (ghost city, pollution, food safety) from this particular Facebook page which is quite popular for news in China: https://www.facebook.com/shanghaiist/ https://www.facebook.com/shanghaiist/

lacampbell 10y ago

Find an article about Kosovo. It's never referred to as a renegade province. They will simply state that Serbia doesn't recognise its independence. The position that is at odds with the facts on the ground is never given credibility.