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I am not familiar with the history of art, so I wonder what is the first recorded occurrence of "this is not art because it breaks the very definition of arts"

mturmon 10y ago
Even the Impressionists, regarded as pleasing wallpaper now, were originally considered outside the realm of serious painting. That's not going all the way back to the cave of Altimira, but still...
wrongc0ntinent 10y ago
Hah! I'm not sure what the first recorded instance is, but the act of coming up with a definition is an act of inclusion/exclusion. [edit for clarity]
jzymbaluk 10y ago
If I had to guess, I'd have to say that the first artist and the first person to proclaim "this is not art!" lived at the same time and probably knew each other.
edblarney 10y ago
Well maybe not 'arts' ... But in the baroque era, it was a 'new thing' to write music that was not written for god (although there was a lot of that as well) Remember all that Gregorian chanting? Well for a while there in the medieval era, music could only be gospel in nature. Classical composers broke all the very strict Baroque conventions. Romantic composers crashed the Classical guys conventions. Modern composers broke everything. And now - we do have a lot of 'art bands' ... i.e. the musical equivalent of Pollock paintings. It's been around since the 60's but maybe popularized a bit later on, and since computers ... well ... it's almost common. And music and film have undergone the same, globalist total 'de-culturalization' as have other art forms. To appeal to an ever wider audience, big films have to appeal to the 'global lowest common denominator' which is someone who is barely literate, has almost no education, likes explosions. so we get Transformers = no plot. Just long action sequences stitched together with a few words spoken by non-national, non-ethnic, non-demoninational characters with nothing to say. And Taylor Swift. :) ... though there is still a ton of good music and cinema created today.

mturmon 10y ago

Even the Impressionists, regarded as pleasing wallpaper now, were originally considered outside the realm of serious painting. That's not going all the way back to the cave of Altimira, but still...

wrongc0ntinent 10y ago

Hah! I'm not sure what the first recorded instance is, but the act of coming up with a definition is an act of inclusion/exclusion. [edit for clarity]

jzymbaluk 10y ago

If I had to guess, I'd have to say that the first artist and the first person to proclaim "this is not art!" lived at the same time and probably knew each other.

edblarney 10y ago

Well maybe not 'arts' ... But in the baroque era, it was a 'new thing' to write music that was not written for god (although there was a lot of that as well) Remember all that Gregorian chanting? Well for a while there in the medieval era, music could only be gospel in nature. Classical composers broke all the very strict Baroque conventions. Romantic composers crashed the Classical guys conventions. Modern composers broke everything. And now - we do have a lot of 'art bands' ... i.e. the musical equivalent of Pollock paintings. It's been around since the 60's but maybe popularized a bit later on, and since computers ... well ... it's almost common. And music and film have undergone the same, globalist total 'de-culturalization' as have other art forms. To appeal to an ever wider audience, big films have to appeal to the 'global lowest common denominator' which is someone who is barely literate, has almost no education, likes explosions. so we get Transformers = no plot. Just long action sequences stitched together with a few words spoken by non-national, non-ethnic, non-demoninational characters with nothing to say. And Taylor Swift. :) ... though there is still a ton of good music and cinema created today.