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> Sadly Windows 10 sucks. Oh, give it a break dude. What's your favorite OS? They all suck in many, many ways. I've been using Windows 10 since it was release

> Sadly Windows 10 sucks. Oh, give it a break dude. What's your favorite OS? They all suck in many, many ways. I've been using Windows 10 since it was released and I think it's the least suckiest OS that can be had right now.

gambiting 10y ago
I personally think that it's approaching Windows ME levels of broken-ness for me personally, where every time I switch on my computer I wonder what's going to be broken today. I could give a very, very long list of tiny things which are broken or just badly designed, but which contribute to a horrendous operating system when added together. The intrusive tracking and ads in a paid(!!!!) operating system are just icing on the cake.
- WayneBro 10y ago
  Sorry, I don't believe it. I've used Windows 10 every day with zero problems, while doing complex things like running Hyper-V Android emulators, hosting websites that I'm developing with IIS and Node.js, running PostgreSQL and SQL Server... I develop Cordova apps with no problems. I create .NET software, no problems. When I'm done I go over to my couch where I have a Windows 10 PC plugged into my TV and I play Rocket League, watch Netflix, browse YouTube, etc etc etc... And then somebody like you comes along who can't seem to make it work. So I guess let's have your list. What exactly do you think is broken?
  - gambiting 10y ago
    - my mouse and keyboard take up to 5 minutes to start working after getting to the log in screen. They are both brand new, 2016 input devices - Corsair Strafe RGB and Logitech G300s. - my computer wakes up randomly around 1am, every single night. I've tried troubleshooting the issue for months, and there doesn't seem to be a cure. I've disabled the ability of devices to wake up the computer, I've disabled the wake up packets, I've disabled wake up timers, I've even disabled windows updates completely. In the final act of desperation, I went back to Windows 7 - no issues. As soon as I upgraded to Windows 10, computer wakes up every night. powercfg -lastwake just shows that the computer has woken up because of "unknown source". - Dragging windows between different monitors is a joke - if you hold your cursor in one corner of the window, when you move it to another monitor, it's a lottery where it will be. Maybe the cursor will be on bottom right corner, maybe it will be in the middle, maybe it will be off the window entirely, who knows. - I had an "Epson Scan" application to use my scanner. Except that one day I switched on my computer, and it was gone. I found out that windows deleted it completely, because it "wasn't compatible with Windows 10". Except that it never told me that it did that, and the application works perfectly fine. I was in a hurry as well, and I spent 30 minutes scratching my head wondering where the app went. - Network stops working from time to time - just shows me "there's an error with the network device" and only a reboot fixes it. That's with an Intel I217-V network card which is supported by Windows 10. - The start menu is a mess - I've had several things pinned to it, then after an update they went all over the place, and had ads interleaved with them. Ended up paying for Start10 in the end. - Speaking of Start Menu - in Windows 7, you could click on start, then start searching instantly, and also get results pretty much instantly. Windows 10 - you click start, then wait for stupid cortana to load which takes several seconds, then you search, and then you have to wait again. Much slower than windows 7. - Photo viewer stopped working completely one day. I use it to browse photo files every day, and then one day I got an "internal system error" when trying to open it. After searching the web for the message I gave up on trying to fix it - it still doesn't work to this day, I had to switch back to the old Windows 7 photo viewer. - Usability is attrocious. The "show" desktop button is literally 2 pixels wide, and there's no way to make it wider. Dragging windows near the top of the screen automatically pins them to that monitor, so you can't move the window to a different monitor anymore - you have to let go, and try again. You also need to do it quickly enough to make sure it doesn't snap to the edge of the screen or you will have to do the whole process again since you lose the ability to move to different monitor at that point. You could disable this behaviour in Windows 8.1, but you can't in 10. - Minor nitpicks: File explorer decides randomly I think, which devices to show on the left - it has my drive C and E, despite the fact that I use my drive D all the time, and almost never open E. Removable devices sometimes appear on the left, sometimes they don't, it's a lottery. In network manager, when you move the cursor next to a network device, first it gets a faint blue outline, then a dark blue outline, but they don't overlap. What are they for? The first one doesn't do anything, it's not even a selection outline. It just looks amateurish and doesn't add anything. - You can disable tracking, and it will just come back after an update or two. I'm 100% sure that one is actually illegal. - Webcam is not detected in Windows 10, unless I unplug it and plug it back in, works perfectly fine on the same machine on Windows 7. That's probably a driver problem, but I frankly don't care.
    - Superleroy 10y ago
      I feel your grudge, but some of them are quite minor and easily fixed (I had some of them myself). The waking up probably comes from the automatic maintenance (it should start around that time) which you can disable. Cortana is annoying, so I just deactivated it on my pc, after that the search is as fast as it was on Windows 7 Nobody ever used the show desktop button, I'm quite sure Microsoft forget it exists ;) go for Windows+D You can disable the snapping, one of the few things I ever did in the registry because it's just awful when you use multiple monitors. I use a script which disables all the tracking stuff, just let it run once a day and you are fine. I never saw any of the other things happening but I have quite a few other bugs myself, like a taskbar which crashes on every reboot, meaning i have to restart the explorer process. But still, all in all Windows is running OK-ish on an absolute level if i compare it to e.g. Ubuntu on my Laptop, where it would shut down because the cpu got too hot, you could not change the resolution, the monitor lost it's signal from time to time, etc. and yet it seems to work perfectly fine on my pc. So I have to agree with WayneBro, no matter what your favourite OS is, they all kinda suck.
    - WayneBro 10y ago
      Honestly, I have all of those type of problems and more on my Mac and Linux desktop systems. Just today I was working on my Mac Pro and after waking it up for like the fifth time to run my app in Xcode, my USB mouse stopped working. As a matter fact no mouse that I plugged into it would work. Turns out I had to restart the machine and reset the SMC by holding a special keyboard combination. That's the kind of problem that I constantly get on a Mac. The kind of stuff that doesn't go away, there is no fix for it. All the Windows stuff you mentioned can be fixed one way or another permanently. I won't bore you with a huge list of my own gripes but honestly everything is fixable and I don't know why people single at Windows at all.
      - gambiting 10y ago
        I get you, I also have a lot of issues with my mac. But the reason why I single out Windows 10 is because I haven't had a single one of those issues on Windows 7. For me personally, Windows 10 is a downgrade in stability and overall usability, not an upgrade.
  - Superleroy 10y ago
    Thinking about it, it's quite funny how much we are willing to take from a linux based OS and still claim it's running fine. Last time i installed Ubuntu on my laptop i could not change the resolution to 16:9 and the only advice out there was to recompile the driver. For any non tech person this is just not acceptable. While I myself tend to complain a lot about Windows, I have to admit that I almost never take the time to dive in and really fix the problems. So in absolute numbers I do absolutely spend more time fixing any other OS than Windows but I probably complain about it the most.
    - userulluipeste 10y ago
      "Last time i installed Ubuntu on my laptop i could not change the resolution to 16:9 and the only advice out there was to recompile the driver. For any non tech person this is just not acceptable." Well, this is a trick that works well. People get to invest their personal effort and time into something and that investment becomes part of their identity. On that point, feeling attached, one will be less likely to criticize and will be more likely to defend instead the object of own investment. I come to believe that it wouldn't be that far-fetched for such hoops to be deliberately ignored for acting as such a handy rite of passage equipment that creates and maintains the *nix communities.
- space_ghost 10y ago
  Then you don't remember how truly atrocious Windows ME was. Win10 has problems - yes - but they don't approach anything like WinME.

gambiting 10y ago

I personally think that it's approaching Windows ME levels of broken-ness for me personally, where every time I switch on my computer I wonder what's going to be broken today. I could give a very, very long list of tiny things which are broken or just badly designed, but which contribute to a horrendous operating system when added together. The intrusive tracking and ads in a paid(!!!!) operating system are just icing on the cake.

WayneBro 10y ago
Sorry, I don't believe it. I've used Windows 10 every day with zero problems, while doing complex things like running Hyper-V Android emulators, hosting websites that I'm developing with IIS and Node.js, running PostgreSQL and SQL Server... I develop Cordova apps with no problems. I create .NET software, no problems. When I'm done I go over to my couch where I have a Windows 10 PC plugged into my TV and I play Rocket League, watch Netflix, browse YouTube, etc etc etc... And then somebody like you comes along who can't seem to make it work. So I guess let's have your list. What exactly do you think is broken?
- gambiting 10y ago
  - my mouse and keyboard take up to 5 minutes to start working after getting to the log in screen. They are both brand new, 2016 input devices - Corsair Strafe RGB and Logitech G300s. - my computer wakes up randomly around 1am, every single night. I've tried troubleshooting the issue for months, and there doesn't seem to be a cure. I've disabled the ability of devices to wake up the computer, I've disabled the wake up packets, I've disabled wake up timers, I've even disabled windows updates completely. In the final act of desperation, I went back to Windows 7 - no issues. As soon as I upgraded to Windows 10, computer wakes up every night. powercfg -lastwake just shows that the computer has woken up because of "unknown source". - Dragging windows between different monitors is a joke - if you hold your cursor in one corner of the window, when you move it to another monitor, it's a lottery where it will be. Maybe the cursor will be on bottom right corner, maybe it will be in the middle, maybe it will be off the window entirely, who knows. - I had an "Epson Scan" application to use my scanner. Except that one day I switched on my computer, and it was gone. I found out that windows deleted it completely, because it "wasn't compatible with Windows 10". Except that it never told me that it did that, and the application works perfectly fine. I was in a hurry as well, and I spent 30 minutes scratching my head wondering where the app went. - Network stops working from time to time - just shows me "there's an error with the network device" and only a reboot fixes it. That's with an Intel I217-V network card which is supported by Windows 10. - The start menu is a mess - I've had several things pinned to it, then after an update they went all over the place, and had ads interleaved with them. Ended up paying for Start10 in the end. - Speaking of Start Menu - in Windows 7, you could click on start, then start searching instantly, and also get results pretty much instantly. Windows 10 - you click start, then wait for stupid cortana to load which takes several seconds, then you search, and then you have to wait again. Much slower than windows 7. - Photo viewer stopped working completely one day. I use it to browse photo files every day, and then one day I got an "internal system error" when trying to open it. After searching the web for the message I gave up on trying to fix it - it still doesn't work to this day, I had to switch back to the old Windows 7 photo viewer. - Usability is attrocious. The "show" desktop button is literally 2 pixels wide, and there's no way to make it wider. Dragging windows near the top of the screen automatically pins them to that monitor, so you can't move the window to a different monitor anymore - you have to let go, and try again. You also need to do it quickly enough to make sure it doesn't snap to the edge of the screen or you will have to do the whole process again since you lose the ability to move to different monitor at that point. You could disable this behaviour in Windows 8.1, but you can't in 10. - Minor nitpicks: File explorer decides randomly I think, which devices to show on the left - it has my drive C and E, despite the fact that I use my drive D all the time, and almost never open E. Removable devices sometimes appear on the left, sometimes they don't, it's a lottery. In network manager, when you move the cursor next to a network device, first it gets a faint blue outline, then a dark blue outline, but they don't overlap. What are they for? The first one doesn't do anything, it's not even a selection outline. It just looks amateurish and doesn't add anything. - You can disable tracking, and it will just come back after an update or two. I'm 100% sure that one is actually illegal. - Webcam is not detected in Windows 10, unless I unplug it and plug it back in, works perfectly fine on the same machine on Windows 7. That's probably a driver problem, but I frankly don't care.
  - Superleroy 10y ago
    I feel your grudge, but some of them are quite minor and easily fixed (I had some of them myself). The waking up probably comes from the automatic maintenance (it should start around that time) which you can disable. Cortana is annoying, so I just deactivated it on my pc, after that the search is as fast as it was on Windows 7 Nobody ever used the show desktop button, I'm quite sure Microsoft forget it exists ;) go for Windows+D You can disable the snapping, one of the few things I ever did in the registry because it's just awful when you use multiple monitors. I use a script which disables all the tracking stuff, just let it run once a day and you are fine. I never saw any of the other things happening but I have quite a few other bugs myself, like a taskbar which crashes on every reboot, meaning i have to restart the explorer process. But still, all in all Windows is running OK-ish on an absolute level if i compare it to e.g. Ubuntu on my Laptop, where it would shut down because the cpu got too hot, you could not change the resolution, the monitor lost it's signal from time to time, etc. and yet it seems to work perfectly fine on my pc. So I have to agree with WayneBro, no matter what your favourite OS is, they all kinda suck.
  - WayneBro 10y ago
    Honestly, I have all of those type of problems and more on my Mac and Linux desktop systems. Just today I was working on my Mac Pro and after waking it up for like the fifth time to run my app in Xcode, my USB mouse stopped working. As a matter fact no mouse that I plugged into it would work. Turns out I had to restart the machine and reset the SMC by holding a special keyboard combination. That's the kind of problem that I constantly get on a Mac. The kind of stuff that doesn't go away, there is no fix for it. All the Windows stuff you mentioned can be fixed one way or another permanently. I won't bore you with a huge list of my own gripes but honestly everything is fixable and I don't know why people single at Windows at all.
    - gambiting 10y ago
      I get you, I also have a lot of issues with my mac. But the reason why I single out Windows 10 is because I haven't had a single one of those issues on Windows 7. For me personally, Windows 10 is a downgrade in stability and overall usability, not an upgrade.
- Superleroy 10y ago
  Thinking about it, it's quite funny how much we are willing to take from a linux based OS and still claim it's running fine. Last time i installed Ubuntu on my laptop i could not change the resolution to 16:9 and the only advice out there was to recompile the driver. For any non tech person this is just not acceptable. While I myself tend to complain a lot about Windows, I have to admit that I almost never take the time to dive in and really fix the problems. So in absolute numbers I do absolutely spend more time fixing any other OS than Windows but I probably complain about it the most.
  - userulluipeste 10y ago
    "Last time i installed Ubuntu on my laptop i could not change the resolution to 16:9 and the only advice out there was to recompile the driver. For any non tech person this is just not acceptable." Well, this is a trick that works well. People get to invest their personal effort and time into something and that investment becomes part of their identity. On that point, feeling attached, one will be less likely to criticize and will be more likely to defend instead the object of own investment. I come to believe that it wouldn't be that far-fetched for such hoops to be deliberately ignored for acting as such a handy rite of passage equipment that creates and maintains the *nix communities.
space_ghost 10y ago
Then you don't remember how truly atrocious Windows ME was. Win10 has problems - yes - but they don't approach anything like WinME.