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Hey HN-- I'm the author of this post. Feel free to post questions! We are a very small team building this app. Hopefully you can focus on what's new/good and n

by grinich 10y ago

Hey HN-- I'm the author of this post. Feel free to post questions! We are a very small team building this app. Hopefully you can focus on what's new/good and not what is left to do! :) If you find bugs, please post them here: https://github.com/nylas/n1/issues/ https://github.com/nylas/n1/issues/

torgoguys 10y ago
It looks nice. I don't have a mac so I can't test until you finish your release for the other platforms, but my question is about your marketing copy. I almost hate to badger you about this since the product looks nice, but I've got to ask about this line, "...the most powerful email client ever built"? That's a pretty bold claim and it makes my baloney detector go off. My suspicion is that it almost certainly isn't true, expect perhaps in specific areas, but not in the general. (If the suspicion is born out after testing, that makes me trust you less rather than more since it was a broad claim). Do you care to back up that claim in the general sense it seems to be offered? Or, if not, maybe change the copy?
- PublicEnemy111 10y ago
  Buddy? Is that you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUPDRnUWeBA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUPDRnUWeBA
  - torgoguys 10y ago
    I had forgotten about that part. Thanks for the clip; it's awesome! Call me old-fashioned, but I still think words matter. IANAL so I don't know whether any laws are broken or not by such claims as "worlds greatest coffee", but there are truth in advertising laws on the books in the U.S. https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/advertising-faqs-guide-small-business https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/adv... Even if there weren't, it erodes your integrity if you're not being truthful and the faces of the staff in the video clip are a nice balance between disbelief over Buddy's credulity and shame (particularly on the guy in the foreground). But I may be reading too much into this... (Repeating here that I'm not claiming that Nylas' claim is false; I don't know if it is or isn't).
- grinich 10y ago
  Nylas Mail is the first email client built from the ground-up to be extensible. It's kind of like emacs in that way– you can create new plugins that add any sort of new functionality, whether that means connecting it to GitHub, Quickbooks, your CRM, etc.
compuguy 10y ago
What happened to the keybase/pgp plugin? Is that a pro only feature?
- spang 10y ago
  It didn't make it into this release because we wanted to focus on making the base mail experience solid first, but it should be back soon!
Fnoord 10y ago
First of all thank you for making Nylas Mail, keeping it both free and open source. It takes courage to have such a free client competing with your commercial product. Also, thanks for developing the backend within Nylas Mail so a user can easily run the client without depending on a backend with SMTP/IMAP credentials hosted within the USA. Have you considered an iOS or Android version client? Why? Is the backend within Nylas Mail still in Python? Isn't this inefficient, performance wise?
- grinich 10y ago
  Yep, we've considered building an iOS and Android version. But that means we need to make more money and hire more people. Our team is very small right now. The new sync engine is written in Javascript, which is faster than Python, but the main performance improvements came from changing the architecture.
  - Fnoord 10y ago
    Thanks for answering. You could give the application away for free with a sub, while saying to Basic users they gotta pay for it. The application Emby has the same model. I think its fair. Me, I don't want more subs (and I'm not a business user so probably not your market). But I'm fine paying a (high) one time fee for an application.

by grinich 10y ago

torgoguys 10y ago

It looks nice. I don't have a mac so I can't test until you finish your release for the other platforms, but my question is about your marketing copy. I almost hate to badger you about this since the product looks nice, but I've got to ask about this line, "...the most powerful email client ever built"? That's a pretty bold claim and it makes my baloney detector go off. My suspicion is that it almost certainly isn't true, expect perhaps in specific areas, but not in the general. (If the suspicion is born out after testing, that makes me trust you less rather than more since it was a broad claim). Do you care to back up that claim in the general sense it seems to be offered? Or, if not, maybe change the copy?

PublicEnemy111 10y ago
Buddy? Is that you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUPDRnUWeBA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUPDRnUWeBA
- torgoguys 10y ago
  I had forgotten about that part. Thanks for the clip; it's awesome! Call me old-fashioned, but I still think words matter. IANAL so I don't know whether any laws are broken or not by such claims as "worlds greatest coffee", but there are truth in advertising laws on the books in the U.S. https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/advertising-faqs-guide-small-business https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/adv... Even if there weren't, it erodes your integrity if you're not being truthful and the faces of the staff in the video clip are a nice balance between disbelief over Buddy's credulity and shame (particularly on the guy in the foreground). But I may be reading too much into this... (Repeating here that I'm not claiming that Nylas' claim is false; I don't know if it is or isn't).
grinich 10y ago
Nylas Mail is the first email client built from the ground-up to be extensible. It's kind of like emacs in that way– you can create new plugins that add any sort of new functionality, whether that means connecting it to GitHub, Quickbooks, your CRM, etc.

compuguy 10y ago

What happened to the keybase/pgp plugin? Is that a pro only feature?

spang 10y ago
It didn't make it into this release because we wanted to focus on making the base mail experience solid first, but it should be back soon!

Fnoord 10y ago

First of all thank you for making Nylas Mail, keeping it both free and open source. It takes courage to have such a free client competing with your commercial product. Also, thanks for developing the backend within Nylas Mail so a user can easily run the client without depending on a backend with SMTP/IMAP credentials hosted within the USA. Have you considered an iOS or Android version client? Why? Is the backend within Nylas Mail still in Python? Isn't this inefficient, performance wise?

grinich 10y ago
Yep, we've considered building an iOS and Android version. But that means we need to make more money and hire more people. Our team is very small right now. The new sync engine is written in Javascript, which is faster than Python, but the main performance improvements came from changing the architecture.
- Fnoord 10y ago
  Thanks for answering. You could give the application away for free with a sub, while saying to Basic users they gotta pay for it. The application Emby has the same model. I think its fair. Me, I don't want more subs (and I'm not a business user so probably not your market). But I'm fine paying a (high) one time fee for an application.