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Which is funny because if the EU is to survive, immigration controls will have to be put in place. Many countries are already demanding to control their borders

Which is funny because if the EU is to survive, immigration controls will have to be put in place. Many countries are already demanding to control their borders. So when that happens, the UK will feel stupid for leaving, I suppose. They could've just waited.

jamesdempsy 10y ago
> Many countries are already demanding to control their borders. Yes but that won't happen. > the UK will feel stupid for leaving, I suppose. Nope. It's not just about immigration. It's actually being able to run one's own country. When you sign up to the EU, you are effectively giving up your country.
bru 10y ago
There are currently such controls for the EU, actually, and done on the French side of the channel. Those may go as well.
- cs02rm0 10y ago
  Only at Calais are they on the French side. They're on the UK side elsewhere.
  - cs02rm0 10y ago
    Why the downvote? With the exception of the Eurotunnel route, customs checks remain unaffected by juxtaposed immigration controls and continue to take place upon arrival after disembarkation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juxtaposed_controls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juxtaposed_controls
- CaRDiaK 10y ago
  The Le Touquet treaty is a bilateral treaty between two countries and has nothing to do with the EU.
raverbashing 10y ago
"control the borders!!!11" are one of the catch-phrases that make absolutely no sense for people with only a modest understanding of how it actually works But I'm sure to some Brexiters brown people at the streets is the fault of the EU somehow
- akjainaj 10y ago
  I believe if the UK could have chosen to control immigration from A8 countries, Brexit would have never happened. I don't think it would have mattered if the UK actually did restrict immigration or not, it's more about not having the power to choose to restrict it.
  - raverbashing 10y ago
    Maybe, and not necessarily a direct control For example, not giving unemployment benefits for those that just had arrived (though it seems this applies to all kinds of immigration)
    - akjainaj 10y ago
      You don't have to hate brown people (as you said up there) to understand that a system that gives benefits to people who have never contributed to it is not sustainable in the long term. And citizens from A8 countries are barely brown, anyway. ;P I believe political correctness triggered Brexit, and will eventually kill the EU (not only because of immigration, though)
      - raverbashing 10y ago
        > You don't have to hate brown people to understand that a system that gives benefits to people who have never contributed to it is not sustainable in the long term Of course
    - tom_mellior 10y ago
      > unemployment benefits for those that just had arrived Is/was that really the case in the UK? From day one? I hop on a plane today, take a taxi from the airport to the unemployment office, get in line, and I'll have unemployment benefits paid to me starting in February?
literallycancer 10y ago
Many countries are "demanding" that, because it's probably the easiest way for politicians to get more popular (right after "being tough on crime"). There's literally no need for inner border checks, as long as the outer borders are secure.
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dx034 10y ago
The UK is not talking about non-EU migration. The concern is EU migration. And that's very different to other EU countries. Germany and France are not concerned keeping people from Poland out.

jamesdempsy 10y ago

> Many countries are already demanding to control their borders. Yes but that won't happen. > the UK will feel stupid for leaving, I suppose. Nope. It's not just about immigration. It's actually being able to run one's own country. When you sign up to the EU, you are effectively giving up your country.

bru 10y ago

There are currently such controls for the EU, actually, and done on the French side of the channel. Those may go as well.

cs02rm0 10y ago
Only at Calais are they on the French side. They're on the UK side elsewhere.
- cs02rm0 10y ago
  Why the downvote? With the exception of the Eurotunnel route, customs checks remain unaffected by juxtaposed immigration controls and continue to take place upon arrival after disembarkation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juxtaposed_controls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juxtaposed_controls
CaRDiaK 10y ago
The Le Touquet treaty is a bilateral treaty between two countries and has nothing to do with the EU.

raverbashing 10y ago

"control the borders!!!11" are one of the catch-phrases that make absolutely no sense for people with only a modest understanding of how it actually works But I'm sure to some Brexiters brown people at the streets is the fault of the EU somehow

akjainaj 10y ago
I believe if the UK could have chosen to control immigration from A8 countries, Brexit would have never happened. I don't think it would have mattered if the UK actually did restrict immigration or not, it's more about not having the power to choose to restrict it.
- raverbashing 10y ago
  Maybe, and not necessarily a direct control For example, not giving unemployment benefits for those that just had arrived (though it seems this applies to all kinds of immigration)
  - akjainaj 10y ago
    You don't have to hate brown people (as you said up there) to understand that a system that gives benefits to people who have never contributed to it is not sustainable in the long term. And citizens from A8 countries are barely brown, anyway. ;P I believe political correctness triggered Brexit, and will eventually kill the EU (not only because of immigration, though)
    - raverbashing 10y ago
      > You don't have to hate brown people to understand that a system that gives benefits to people who have never contributed to it is not sustainable in the long term Of course
  - tom_mellior 10y ago
    > unemployment benefits for those that just had arrived Is/was that really the case in the UK? From day one? I hop on a plane today, take a taxi from the airport to the unemployment office, get in line, and I'll have unemployment benefits paid to me starting in February?

literallycancer 10y ago

Many countries are "demanding" that, because it's probably the easiest way for politicians to get more popular (right after "being tough on crime"). There's literally no need for inner border checks, as long as the outer borders are secure.

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dx034 10y ago

The UK is not talking about non-EU migration. The concern is EU migration. And that's very different to other EU countries. Germany and France are not concerned keeping people from Poland out.