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This is almost certainly a collosal act of self-harm, and deeply short-sighted. I was desperately hopeful that the whole Brexit situation could be salvaged in
by matthewmacleod 10y ago
This is almost certainly a collosal act of self-harm, and deeply short-sighted.
I was desperately hopeful that the whole Brexit situation could be salvaged in some way, and that some way forward for liberalism might be figured out such that the rising tide of populism could be countered. I'm less and less confident about that.
- sjg007 10y agoParliament has to vote on it... might be hope
- ar0 10y agoBut isn't this in many ways actually even more risky? When Parliament gets its vote, the two year exit period will almost certainly be almost over and a vote of Parliament will not be able to stop the exit. Instead it will be a vote on the new arrangements with the EU. So either they just have to rubberstamp whatever gets put to them or - if they vote down these new arrangements - Britain will be left outside of the EU without any new deal in place.
- peteretep 10y agoThe two year exit period can't start until parliament votes, because May doesn't have the authority to trigger Article 51 without parliament
- matthewmacleod 10y agoMy understanding is that there are two distinct parliamentary votes – one on the triggering of Article 50, and one on the final settlement with the EU. The former starts the mandatory two-year withdrawal process.
- kamjam 10y agoI assume you're talking about the triggering of Article 50 - the decision of the Supreme Court case which we are still waiting for on whether Parliament needs to vote before it can be triggered or the Prime Minister can trigger it using Executive Powers. So possibly, but there is talk of Teresa May rewording the Bill and forcing it through. Democracy eh!
- KaiserPro 10y agoThere is no opposition(labour). No one with balls(to stand up and fught for what they all believe. only 1/4 MPs are probrexit). It'll be a rubber stamp, even if it involves replacing the the house of lords with a rubber stamp. Because thats how we bring back parliamentary sovereignty.
- matthewmacleod 10y agoAt the moment, the opposition in the UK is in total disarray and making rather a hash of things. It's likely that a substantial number would back the government's plans.
- abandonliberty 10y agoI'm sorry to say it's false hope. Such an outcome would likely lead to greater ruin. Just like Trump and the electoral college, if we project the vote into MP constituencies Brexit got 60% [0]. This means that most MPs voting 'No' to Brexit would anger their constituents for Subverting Democracy - one of Theresa May's favorite talking points[1]. This would likely lead to a more extreme/populist government in the next election, and perhaps some internal strife and riots in the meantime. Who would you rather have at the helm? [0] http://www.businessinsider.com/nomura-2-charts-show-why-remain-mps-wont-oppose-brexit-2016-10 http://www.businessinsider.com/nomura-2-charts-show-why-rema... [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=subverting+democracy https://www.google.com/search?q=subverting+democracy
- jamesdempsy 10y agoHow-so? The UK existed before the EU. It will exist after it. The UK was able to have her own trade deals with the world. Why are you thinking that the UK needs to be in the EU? It does not!