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1. Given I buy a lot of locally sourced stuff, I know for a fact that no pesticides are being used. Yes, it’s more expensive. No, your industrial GMO food won’

1. Given I buy a lot of locally sourced stuff, I know for a fact that no pesticides are being used. Yes, it’s more expensive. No, your industrial GMO food won’t be healthier, because they’ll still be using pesticides. But it will be healthier than the alternative (i.e. having to use a ton of pesticides). 2. I’m not against GMO food, but I am against heavy pesticide usage. If certain crops are modified to be resistant against certain insects, for example, and less pesticides have to be used because of that, that’s good. An “organic” GMO vegetable (i.e. increased resistants against common diseases etc, no actual pesticide usage) could be an interesting avenue to explore. We just need to get pesticide usage down. 3. Maybe I have my tinfoil hat on here, but I do not believe for a second that Roundup isn’t massively unhealthy. Most of the positive research was funded, directly or indirectly, by Monsanto. Even the most legitimate scientists can be bought and paid off. Don’t forget that. In addition, do we really have to prove something is actually bad? In this case, I think there really should be conclusive evidence that something ISN’T bad.

majkinetor 10y ago
> Given I buy a lot of locally sourced stuff, I know for a fact that no pesticides are being used. I wonder how do you know ? In huge local food bazzars in our country its not unheard that commissions finds overusage of pesticides and antibiotics because there is no strict control. Food producers are common villagers, not a scientist and they can abuse the tech for various reasons.
- charlesdm 10y ago
  They're a cooperative mainly consisting of local farmers, and they don't use pesticides. My grandfather used to take care of their accounting (as a side project) and has helped build it up over the last 20+ years.
  - majkinetor 10y ago
    The point is, while you may personally know a single cow or few farmers, majority of the stuff entering your mouth is uncontrolled. THe best way to combat toxins is from the inside, rather then outside IMO - take care of your liver/kidnies/skin with adequate food and supplement choices. Avoid obvious toxins such as cigarete smoke.
PeterisP 10y ago
A friend works in a food safety testing lab. They get all kinds of interesting anecdotes, which I'll avoid because well, every type of farming gets evil people who only get caught in testing, but you'd better really know for a fact that no pesticides are being used, as otherwise the less-controlled farmers markets tend to also get unscrupulous sellers with produce that is overwhelmingly over allowed limits and couldn't get sold for a supermarket because they'd test and notice that it's bad. However, a key takeaway issue is that everyone in their lab now avoids organic produce as such because of multiple observed parasite incidents - local organic farms tend to replace nitrate-based fertilisers with manure, and thus their produce carries a risk of parasite infections that "classic" industrial farms don't have. For many horrible parasites the only vector used to be improperly cooked wild game meat (or illegally slaughtered home animals), but now with the risen popularity of organic produce, they are also spreading with vegetables.

majkinetor 10y ago

> Given I buy a lot of locally sourced stuff, I know for a fact that no pesticides are being used. I wonder how do you know ? In huge local food bazzars in our country its not unheard that commissions finds overusage of pesticides and antibiotics because there is no strict control. Food producers are common villagers, not a scientist and they can abuse the tech for various reasons.

charlesdm 10y ago
They're a cooperative mainly consisting of local farmers, and they don't use pesticides. My grandfather used to take care of their accounting (as a side project) and has helped build it up over the last 20+ years.
- majkinetor 10y ago
  The point is, while you may personally know a single cow or few farmers, majority of the stuff entering your mouth is uncontrolled. THe best way to combat toxins is from the inside, rather then outside IMO - take care of your liver/kidnies/skin with adequate food and supplement choices. Avoid obvious toxins such as cigarete smoke.

PeterisP 10y ago

A friend works in a food safety testing lab. They get all kinds of interesting anecdotes, which I'll avoid because well, every type of farming gets evil people who only get caught in testing, but you'd better really know for a fact that no pesticides are being used, as otherwise the less-controlled farmers markets tend to also get unscrupulous sellers with produce that is overwhelmingly over allowed limits and couldn't get sold for a supermarket because they'd test and notice that it's bad. However, a key takeaway issue is that everyone in their lab now avoids organic produce as such because of multiple observed parasite incidents - local organic farms tend to replace nitrate-based fertilisers with manure, and thus their produce carries a risk of parasite infections that "classic" industrial farms don't have. For many horrible parasites the only vector used to be improperly cooked wild game meat (or illegally slaughtered home animals), but now with the risen popularity of organic produce, they are also spreading with vegetables.