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I know they want to sell windows 10. Sadly Windows 10 sucks. Maybe Microsoft hasn't earned a percentage of every new laptops sale price in perpetuity. GWX co

I know they want to sell windows 10. Sadly Windows 10 sucks. Maybe Microsoft hasn't earned a percentage of every new laptops sale price in perpetuity. GWX control panel to prevent windows 10 installing over your windows 7: http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ O&O ShutUp10 to try and regain privacy in win 10: https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 Win 10 reports to Microsoft corp what programs you run, when and for how long by default. Reports other data on what you do with your computer (they call spying telemetry) Nearly impossible to turn off, and they keep turning it back on with updates. And your computer is going to need rebooted often with updates, so hope you weren't working on anything too important that you needed to save before reboot. This man says it better: https://itvision.altervista.org/why-windows-10-sucks.html https://itvision.altervista.org/why-windows-10-sucks.html

dx034 10y ago
I wonder how much different Windows 10 for enterprises is. Many annoying things (reporting to MSFT, automatic restarts you cannot disable in obvious ways, ad tiles by default, one drive integration showing up constantly) are features where I'm sure enterprises can deactivate them. For large companies, I think Windows 10 could actually be really nice and efficient to use. It's faster and has some important new features (the new task manager is way better, especially for developers). It's just the retail version which includes a lot of garbage to compensate for the lower revenue.
- RichardHeart 10y ago
  Even the things they do better in 10 than 7 often suck. Virtual desktops with no hotkey to move window to the other desktop. Move window to quadrant on screen, cool, now what about 1/3 of screen so I can use this 55" 4k monitor properly... Nope. Etc etc, windows 7 sucks in it's own ways, like you can't use a high contrast theme with aero, and with no aero you get screen tearing in videos. If they would earn their money, and make actual useful innnovation, instead of being beat at their own UI game by third parties, like windows management, and keyboard macros etc etc, then 10 would be awesome. Hell even windows 10 task manager is crapper than the third party alternatives.
  - Crosseye_Jack 10y ago
    > Virtual desktops with no hotkey to move window to the other desktop. Sorry misread the comment. Never looked into any 3rd party software to do this. > now what about 1/3 of screen so I can use this 55" 4k monitor properly That sounds like a harsh thing to bash Windows 10 about but hey what ever floats your boat. If its 3 Windows of the same program Then you can use "show windows side by side" and while it might not "snap" how you want have a look at AquaSnap to help better manage your Windows. Single License is $13 but comes with a free trial to give it a try first. There is prob a OSS alt, but I've not looked.
    - RichardHeart 10y ago
      For a software called "windows' you would think that it would actually handle windows management well. Aquasnap and maxto eat their lunch. If I was in charge of Microsoft windows, and saw other companies beating us in core competencies, I would either include them in the next version, or offer a superior paid option. The rate that windows "evolves" is pitiful.
- mattmanser 10y ago
  You can disable onedrive through group policy. Annoying, but once it's gone, it's gone. https://support.office.com/en-GB/article/Turn-off-or-uninstall-OneDrive-f32a17ce-3336-40fe-9c38-6efb09f944b0 https://support.office.com/en-GB/article/Turn-off-or-uninsta...
- Crosseye_Jack 10y ago
  >automatic restarts you cannot disable in obvious ways, one drive integration showing up constantly You can turn off in atleast Pro (never tested them in Home, but if GPE is disabled in home, these changes be done in the registry But you are going to have to make a note of what changes you make.) Auto Restart: GPE -> Computer Config -> Admin Templates -> Windows Components -> Windows Update -> "No Auto-restart with logged on users for scheduled auto updates...". You might want to look at the other options in there as there might be other things you might wish to turn on/off. One Drive: GPE -> Computer Config -> Admin Templates -> Windows Components -> OneDrive -> prevent the use of OneDrive for file storage.
  - ElEmEnOhP 10y ago
    Ad tiles aren't hard to get rid of in enterprise environments either. You can remove all of the Windows apps with a powershell script, and then you just have to shove a modified start menu layout in the default profile before capping the wim file to roll out your installs from.
- SixSigma 10y ago
  The silliness that influencers are likely to only have exposure to the retail version via laptop purchases must lower sales of the enterprise version is not lost on me. Trying to keep that "one Windows for everybody" idea going is hurting them.
Crosseye_Jack 10y ago
Instead of using a 3rd party tool to manage GWX, MS have a support doc telling you how to disable it. Did it on a large number of Windows 7 Pro/Home machine and the issue went away. I don't like the "reclaim your privacy" windows 10 apps simply because the ones I've used have made a hash of it. Maybe he one you linked to is better but I've always felt better doing these changes myself so I know what changes to undo later if they break something. After using one such tool some months later, I wanted to use the Fast Windows Insider build to get Bash for Windows but one of the privacy options remained set and I manually had to do though every one to find the one that didn't unset. Also had friends have update issues as some of these tools black holes MS update servers. You can turn off most of the telemetry in home/pro but if you want to turn off all the telemetry upgrade to enterprise edition. Never had the options turn completely back on with updates. What I have had if I run Insider builds then from build to build some settings can be reset as they are basically fresh installs on top of your existing install. But never had options change from normal updates. As for the reboot thing the default is a pain in the arse. But it's an option that can. E turned off in group policies (can't remember if you can do it outside of GPE as I make most of the changes I need at the same time in GPE)
- tdkl 10y ago
  > Maybe he one you linked to is better So you didn't try it. > but I've always felt Stop feeling, do some testing instead. O&O Shutup even suggests doing a system restore point before doing any changes and its settings can be restored easy.
  - Crosseye_Jack 10y ago
    No I've not tried every single "Windows 10 privacy" application because I would have to spend months goes though them all. Maybe I should of said: "I believe setting the options yourself so you know what options you have set" would be better? The "feeling" was more to the fact that if you make the changes yourself you will get to know your machine configuration better.
    - RichardHeart 10y ago
aphextron 10y ago
>Win 10 reports to Microsoft corp what programs you run, when and for how long by default. Reports other data on what you do with your computer (they call spying telemetry) Nearly impossible to turn off, and they keep turning it back on with updates. And your computer is going to need rebooted often with updates, so hope you weren't working on anything too important that you needed to save before reboot. But the trade-off is that Windows 10 is a fantastic desktop operating system for most users. I also wish that there were a better alternative. But Linux is a nonstarter for most people, and macOS has all of the privacy issues of Windows with a UI that is stuck in the year 2006. This leaves you with the only other option being Windows 7, who's end of life is near and is full of security holes at this point. The choice is pretty clear I think.
- type0 10y ago
  > But Linux is a nonstarter for most people, and macOS has all of the privacy issues of Windows I'm curious why is Linux nonstarter? It starts faster than Windows and easier to manage updates and install software. Also as far as I'm aware Apple isn't in the advertisement business so the privacy issues are not the same.
  - WayneBro 10y ago
    It doesn't start faster than Windows 10 in my experience. Ubuntu server without desktop might, but Linux Mint 18 definitely does not on my hardware. Anyway, there are plenty of reasons that people don't use Linux and you can find a lot of them with this search term - https://www.google.com/search?q=why+don%27t+people+use+linux https://www.google.com/search?q=why+don%27t+people+use+linux If you need convincing that next to nobody runs Linux on their desktop, you can read about that here - https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+desktop+market+share https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+desktop+market+share
    - ovidnis 10y ago
      Linking google searches is pretty meaningless and borders on insulting
WayneBro 10y ago
> Sadly Windows 10 sucks. Oh, give it a break dude. What's your favorite OS? They all suck in many, many ways. I've been using Windows 10 since it was released and I think it's the least suckiest OS that can be had right now.
- gambiting 10y ago
  I personally think that it's approaching Windows ME levels of broken-ness for me personally, where every time I switch on my computer I wonder what's going to be broken today. I could give a very, very long list of tiny things which are broken or just badly designed, but which contribute to a horrendous operating system when added together. The intrusive tracking and ads in a paid(!!!!) operating system are just icing on the cake.
  - WayneBro 10y ago
    Sorry, I don't believe it. I've used Windows 10 every day with zero problems, while doing complex things like running Hyper-V Android emulators, hosting websites that I'm developing with IIS and Node.js, running PostgreSQL and SQL Server... I develop Cordova apps with no problems. I create .NET software, no problems. When I'm done I go over to my couch where I have a Windows 10 PC plugged into my TV and I play Rocket League, watch Netflix, browse YouTube, etc etc etc... And then somebody like you comes along who can't seem to make it work. So I guess let's have your list. What exactly do you think is broken?
    - gambiting 10y ago
      - my mouse and keyboard take up to 5 minutes to start working after getting to the log in screen. They are both brand new, 2016 input devices - Corsair Strafe RGB and Logitech G300s. - my computer wakes up randomly around 1am, every single night. I've tried troubleshooting the issue for months, and there doesn't seem to be a cure. I've disabled the ability of devices to wake up the computer, I've disabled the wake up packets, I've disabled wake up timers, I've even disabled windows updates completely. In the final act of desperation, I went back to Windows 7 - no issues. As soon as I upgraded to Windows 10, computer wakes up every night. powercfg -lastwake just shows that the computer has woken up because of "unknown source". - Dragging windows between different monitors is a joke - if you hold your cursor in one corner of the window, when you move it to another monitor, it's a lottery where it will be. Maybe the cursor will be on bottom right corner, maybe it will be in the middle, maybe it will be off the window entirely, who knows. - I had an "Epson Scan" application to use my scanner. Except that one day I switched on my computer, and it was gone. I found out that windows deleted it completely, because it "wasn't compatible with Windows 10". Except that it never told me that it did that, and the application works perfectly fine. I was in a hurry as well, and I spent 30 minutes scratching my head wondering where the app went. - Network stops working from time to time - just shows me "there's an error with the network device" and only a reboot fixes it. That's with an Intel I217-V network card which is supported by Windows 10. - The start menu is a mess - I've had several things pinned to it, then after an update they went all over the place, and had ads interleaved with them. Ended up paying for Start10 in the end. - Speaking of Start Menu - in Windows 7, you could click on start, then start searching instantly, and also get results pretty much instantly. Windows 10 - you click start, then wait for stupid cortana to load which takes several seconds, then you search, and then you have to wait again. Much slower than windows 7. - Photo viewer stopped working completely one day. I use it to browse photo files every day, and then one day I got an "internal system error" when trying to open it. After searching the web for the message I gave up on trying to fix it - it still doesn't work to this day, I had to switch back to the old Windows 7 photo viewer. - Usability is attrocious. The "show" desktop button is literally 2 pixels wide, and there's no way to make it wider. Dragging windows near the top of the screen automatically pins them to that monitor, so you can't move the window to a different monitor anymore - you have to let go, and try again. You also need to do it quickly enough to make sure it doesn't snap to the edge of the screen or you will have to do the whole process again since you lose the ability to move to different monitor at that point. You could disable this behaviour in Windows 8.1, but you can't in 10. - Minor nitpicks: File explorer decides randomly I think, which devices to show on the left - it has my drive C and E, despite the fact that I use my drive D all the time, and almost never open E. Removable devices sometimes appear on the left, sometimes they don't, it's a lottery. In network manager, when you move the cursor next to a network device, first it gets a faint blue outline, then a dark blue outline, but they don't overlap. What are they for? The first one doesn't do anything, it's not even a selection outline. It just looks amateurish and doesn't add anything. - You can disable tracking, and it will just come back after an update or two. I'm 100% sure that one is actually illegal. - Webcam is not detected in Windows 10, unless I unplug it and plug it back in, works perfectly fine on the same machine on Windows 7. That's probably a driver problem, but I frankly don't care.

dx034 10y ago

I wonder how much different Windows 10 for enterprises is. Many annoying things (reporting to MSFT, automatic restarts you cannot disable in obvious ways, ad tiles by default, one drive integration showing up constantly) are features where I'm sure enterprises can deactivate them. For large companies, I think Windows 10 could actually be really nice and efficient to use. It's faster and has some important new features (the new task manager is way better, especially for developers). It's just the retail version which includes a lot of garbage to compensate for the lower revenue.

RichardHeart 10y ago
Even the things they do better in 10 than 7 often suck. Virtual desktops with no hotkey to move window to the other desktop. Move window to quadrant on screen, cool, now what about 1/3 of screen so I can use this 55" 4k monitor properly... Nope. Etc etc, windows 7 sucks in it's own ways, like you can't use a high contrast theme with aero, and with no aero you get screen tearing in videos. If they would earn their money, and make actual useful innnovation, instead of being beat at their own UI game by third parties, like windows management, and keyboard macros etc etc, then 10 would be awesome. Hell even windows 10 task manager is crapper than the third party alternatives.
- Crosseye_Jack 10y ago
  > Virtual desktops with no hotkey to move window to the other desktop. Sorry misread the comment. Never looked into any 3rd party software to do this. > now what about 1/3 of screen so I can use this 55" 4k monitor properly That sounds like a harsh thing to bash Windows 10 about but hey what ever floats your boat. If its 3 Windows of the same program Then you can use "show windows side by side" and while it might not "snap" how you want have a look at AquaSnap to help better manage your Windows. Single License is $13 but comes with a free trial to give it a try first. There is prob a OSS alt, but I've not looked.
  - RichardHeart 10y ago
    For a software called "windows' you would think that it would actually handle windows management well. Aquasnap and maxto eat their lunch. If I was in charge of Microsoft windows, and saw other companies beating us in core competencies, I would either include them in the next version, or offer a superior paid option. The rate that windows "evolves" is pitiful.
mattmanser 10y ago
You can disable onedrive through group policy. Annoying, but once it's gone, it's gone. https://support.office.com/en-GB/article/Turn-off-or-uninstall-OneDrive-f32a17ce-3336-40fe-9c38-6efb09f944b0 https://support.office.com/en-GB/article/Turn-off-or-uninsta...
Crosseye_Jack 10y ago
>automatic restarts you cannot disable in obvious ways, one drive integration showing up constantly You can turn off in atleast Pro (never tested them in Home, but if GPE is disabled in home, these changes be done in the registry But you are going to have to make a note of what changes you make.) Auto Restart: GPE -> Computer Config -> Admin Templates -> Windows Components -> Windows Update -> "No Auto-restart with logged on users for scheduled auto updates...". You might want to look at the other options in there as there might be other things you might wish to turn on/off. One Drive: GPE -> Computer Config -> Admin Templates -> Windows Components -> OneDrive -> prevent the use of OneDrive for file storage.
- ElEmEnOhP 10y ago
  Ad tiles aren't hard to get rid of in enterprise environments either. You can remove all of the Windows apps with a powershell script, and then you just have to shove a modified start menu layout in the default profile before capping the wim file to roll out your installs from.
SixSigma 10y ago
The silliness that influencers are likely to only have exposure to the retail version via laptop purchases must lower sales of the enterprise version is not lost on me. Trying to keep that "one Windows for everybody" idea going is hurting them.

Crosseye_Jack 10y ago

Instead of using a 3rd party tool to manage GWX, MS have a support doc telling you how to disable it. Did it on a large number of Windows 7 Pro/Home machine and the issue went away. I don't like the "reclaim your privacy" windows 10 apps simply because the ones I've used have made a hash of it. Maybe he one you linked to is better but I've always felt better doing these changes myself so I know what changes to undo later if they break something. After using one such tool some months later, I wanted to use the Fast Windows Insider build to get Bash for Windows but one of the privacy options remained set and I manually had to do though every one to find the one that didn't unset. Also had friends have update issues as some of these tools black holes MS update servers. You can turn off most of the telemetry in home/pro but if you want to turn off all the telemetry upgrade to enterprise edition. Never had the options turn completely back on with updates. What I have had if I run Insider builds then from build to build some settings can be reset as they are basically fresh installs on top of your existing install. But never had options change from normal updates. As for the reboot thing the default is a pain in the arse. But it's an option that can. E turned off in group policies (can't remember if you can do it outside of GPE as I make most of the changes I need at the same time in GPE)

tdkl 10y ago
> Maybe he one you linked to is better So you didn't try it. > but I've always felt Stop feeling, do some testing instead. O&O Shutup even suggests doing a system restore point before doing any changes and its settings can be restored easy.
- Crosseye_Jack 10y ago
  No I've not tried every single "Windows 10 privacy" application because I would have to spend months goes though them all. Maybe I should of said: "I believe setting the options yourself so you know what options you have set" would be better? The "feeling" was more to the fact that if you make the changes yourself you will get to know your machine configuration better.
  - RichardHeart 10y ago

aphextron 10y ago

>Win 10 reports to Microsoft corp what programs you run, when and for how long by default. Reports other data on what you do with your computer (they call spying telemetry) Nearly impossible to turn off, and they keep turning it back on with updates. And your computer is going to need rebooted often with updates, so hope you weren't working on anything too important that you needed to save before reboot. But the trade-off is that Windows 10 is a fantastic desktop operating system for most users. I also wish that there were a better alternative. But Linux is a nonstarter for most people, and macOS has all of the privacy issues of Windows with a UI that is stuck in the year 2006. This leaves you with the only other option being Windows 7, who's end of life is near and is full of security holes at this point. The choice is pretty clear I think.

type0 10y ago
> But Linux is a nonstarter for most people, and macOS has all of the privacy issues of Windows I'm curious why is Linux nonstarter? It starts faster than Windows and easier to manage updates and install software. Also as far as I'm aware Apple isn't in the advertisement business so the privacy issues are not the same.
- WayneBro 10y ago
  It doesn't start faster than Windows 10 in my experience. Ubuntu server without desktop might, but Linux Mint 18 definitely does not on my hardware. Anyway, there are plenty of reasons that people don't use Linux and you can find a lot of them with this search term - https://www.google.com/search?q=why+don%27t+people+use+linux https://www.google.com/search?q=why+don%27t+people+use+linux If you need convincing that next to nobody runs Linux on their desktop, you can read about that here - https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+desktop+market+share https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+desktop+market+share
  - ovidnis 10y ago
    Linking google searches is pretty meaningless and borders on insulting

WayneBro 10y ago

> Sadly Windows 10 sucks. Oh, give it a break dude. What's your favorite OS? They all suck in many, many ways. I've been using Windows 10 since it was released and I think it's the least suckiest OS that can be had right now.

gambiting 10y ago
I personally think that it's approaching Windows ME levels of broken-ness for me personally, where every time I switch on my computer I wonder what's going to be broken today. I could give a very, very long list of tiny things which are broken or just badly designed, but which contribute to a horrendous operating system when added together. The intrusive tracking and ads in a paid(!!!!) operating system are just icing on the cake.
- WayneBro 10y ago
  Sorry, I don't believe it. I've used Windows 10 every day with zero problems, while doing complex things like running Hyper-V Android emulators, hosting websites that I'm developing with IIS and Node.js, running PostgreSQL and SQL Server... I develop Cordova apps with no problems. I create .NET software, no problems. When I'm done I go over to my couch where I have a Windows 10 PC plugged into my TV and I play Rocket League, watch Netflix, browse YouTube, etc etc etc... And then somebody like you comes along who can't seem to make it work. So I guess let's have your list. What exactly do you think is broken?
  - gambiting 10y ago
    - my mouse and keyboard take up to 5 minutes to start working after getting to the log in screen. They are both brand new, 2016 input devices - Corsair Strafe RGB and Logitech G300s. - my computer wakes up randomly around 1am, every single night. I've tried troubleshooting the issue for months, and there doesn't seem to be a cure. I've disabled the ability of devices to wake up the computer, I've disabled the wake up packets, I've disabled wake up timers, I've even disabled windows updates completely. In the final act of desperation, I went back to Windows 7 - no issues. As soon as I upgraded to Windows 10, computer wakes up every night. powercfg -lastwake just shows that the computer has woken up because of "unknown source". - Dragging windows between different monitors is a joke - if you hold your cursor in one corner of the window, when you move it to another monitor, it's a lottery where it will be. Maybe the cursor will be on bottom right corner, maybe it will be in the middle, maybe it will be off the window entirely, who knows. - I had an "Epson Scan" application to use my scanner. Except that one day I switched on my computer, and it was gone. I found out that windows deleted it completely, because it "wasn't compatible with Windows 10". Except that it never told me that it did that, and the application works perfectly fine. I was in a hurry as well, and I spent 30 minutes scratching my head wondering where the app went. - Network stops working from time to time - just shows me "there's an error with the network device" and only a reboot fixes it. That's with an Intel I217-V network card which is supported by Windows 10. - The start menu is a mess - I've had several things pinned to it, then after an update they went all over the place, and had ads interleaved with them. Ended up paying for Start10 in the end. - Speaking of Start Menu - in Windows 7, you could click on start, then start searching instantly, and also get results pretty much instantly. Windows 10 - you click start, then wait for stupid cortana to load which takes several seconds, then you search, and then you have to wait again. Much slower than windows 7. - Photo viewer stopped working completely one day. I use it to browse photo files every day, and then one day I got an "internal system error" when trying to open it. After searching the web for the message I gave up on trying to fix it - it still doesn't work to this day, I had to switch back to the old Windows 7 photo viewer. - Usability is attrocious. The "show" desktop button is literally 2 pixels wide, and there's no way to make it wider. Dragging windows near the top of the screen automatically pins them to that monitor, so you can't move the window to a different monitor anymore - you have to let go, and try again. You also need to do it quickly enough to make sure it doesn't snap to the edge of the screen or you will have to do the whole process again since you lose the ability to move to different monitor at that point. You could disable this behaviour in Windows 8.1, but you can't in 10. - Minor nitpicks: File explorer decides randomly I think, which devices to show on the left - it has my drive C and E, despite the fact that I use my drive D all the time, and almost never open E. Removable devices sometimes appear on the left, sometimes they don't, it's a lottery. In network manager, when you move the cursor next to a network device, first it gets a faint blue outline, then a dark blue outline, but they don't overlap. What are they for? The first one doesn't do anything, it's not even a selection outline. It just looks amateurish and doesn't add anything. - You can disable tracking, and it will just come back after an update or two. I'm 100% sure that one is actually illegal. - Webcam is not detected in Windows 10, unless I unplug it and plug it back in, works perfectly fine on the same machine on Windows 7. That's probably a driver problem, but I frankly don't care.