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> With an American tech salary of $200k/yr Well, that means you're part of the "1%". In that case, you obviously don't have (m)any real problems. So, if you're

by benevol 10y ago

> With an American tech salary of $200k/yr Well, that means you're part of the "1%". In that case, you obviously don't have (m)any real problems. So, if you're thinking for the "1%", then your logic holds up. If on the other hand you believe to be part of the "1%" soon, then this quote may be of interest to you: “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - Ronald Wright, A Short History of Progress

morgante 10y ago
$200k is closer to 4-5%, not 1%. More importantly, I'm not making some grand proclamation on morality of French governance vs American governances. I'm just affirming that as a developer, you are much better off in the US (particularly NYC/SV) where such salaries are fairly achievable and common.
- benevol 10y ago
  > I'm not making some grand proclamation on morality Me neither. The point I was making is: Due to content in our media/movies (and general culture), most of us tend to think that we will be millionaires in the future, which will lead us to sacrifice some important things and aspects. However, most of us do not end up being millionaires. More precisely: The $200k/yr only holds true for a certain lucky elite.
  - morgante 10y ago
    Sure, if by "most of us" you mean most Americans I agree. If you mean most developers, I disagree. I think most developers can make $200k/yr if they want.
- MagnumOpus 10y ago
  > $200k is closer to 4-5%, not 1%. Not quite right. What you are thinking of is household income where $400k is about the 99th percentile - usually achieved by two high earning individuals. For individual incomes, $288k makes you a 1%er, and $200k is in the top 2.5%. [1] [1] https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/ https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/
- romanovcode 10y ago
  Top 5% most paid developers in Europe are just fine, trust me.
  - muse900 10y ago
    Not really unless you are living in Switzerland which is no part of EU. I got a friend and atm he works in a top bank at the highest position a dev can acquire. He makes £120k a year without his bonuses etc. Thing is he is living in London and houses are so expensive in London and generally the cost of life and the taxes are drilling him. Am not gonna say he is not comfortable, he definitely is alright, although he has been trying to get transferred to Singapore or USA because after his research he found out he would be 2 times better off working there. So yes I think devs working outside of the EU are doing better for themselves.
    - 1290cc 10y ago
      I lived in London where I was on 115k GBP per year. To be honest I lived in an ex council flat in not a great area and never really felt like I had "made" it (despite being in the perceived 1%). Everything went to saving for a house deposit for a pretty miserable house in london!!! The only time we actually felt middle class was when we travelled to cheaper destinations overseas. I was transferred to SF about 2 years ago. I got a nice pay increase to $250k, live in a lovely neighbourhood, bought 2 cars (1 new, 1 nearly new), 2 motorcycles (1 new, 1 nearly new), have already saved 100k USD and now planning on getting my sweet wife a great boob job. Never looked back!
splintercell 10y ago
> “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - Ronald Wright, A Short History of Progress This quote is by John Steinbeck not by Ronald Wright. Ronald Wright merely quoted Steinbeck. The way Steinbeck actually said it (and the way you're implying it) is different than how Americans perceive this. To Americans, being a 'millionaire' is a goal to aspire to, it's like to every school kid who dreams of being Harry Potter who fights evil, is a goal to aspire to. But to Steinbeck (a self-described socialist) and to you, these goals are delusions. America IS proudly the nation of temporarily embarrassed millionaires. To Americans them becoming a millionaire is what might happen, whereas to you, that's not what did happen. The reason why European countries are not the nation of temporarily embarrassed millionaires because anyone aspiring that goal would rather move to America (that's also the reason why Europe does not have a real right wing). So what you're left with is people with a different kind of aspiration.

by benevol 10y ago

morgante 10y ago

$200k is closer to 4-5%, not 1%. More importantly, I'm not making some grand proclamation on morality of French governance vs American governances. I'm just affirming that as a developer, you are much better off in the US (particularly NYC/SV) where such salaries are fairly achievable and common.

benevol 10y ago
> I'm not making some grand proclamation on morality Me neither. The point I was making is: Due to content in our media/movies (and general culture), most of us tend to think that we will be millionaires in the future, which will lead us to sacrifice some important things and aspects. However, most of us do not end up being millionaires. More precisely: The $200k/yr only holds true for a certain lucky elite.
- morgante 10y ago
  Sure, if by "most of us" you mean most Americans I agree. If you mean most developers, I disagree. I think most developers can make $200k/yr if they want.
MagnumOpus 10y ago
> $200k is closer to 4-5%, not 1%. Not quite right. What you are thinking of is household income where $400k is about the 99th percentile - usually achieved by two high earning individuals. For individual incomes, $288k makes you a 1%er, and $200k is in the top 2.5%. [1] [1] https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/ https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/
romanovcode 10y ago
Top 5% most paid developers in Europe are just fine, trust me.
- muse900 10y ago
  Not really unless you are living in Switzerland which is no part of EU. I got a friend and atm he works in a top bank at the highest position a dev can acquire. He makes £120k a year without his bonuses etc. Thing is he is living in London and houses are so expensive in London and generally the cost of life and the taxes are drilling him. Am not gonna say he is not comfortable, he definitely is alright, although he has been trying to get transferred to Singapore or USA because after his research he found out he would be 2 times better off working there. So yes I think devs working outside of the EU are doing better for themselves.
  - 1290cc 10y ago
    I lived in London where I was on 115k GBP per year. To be honest I lived in an ex council flat in not a great area and never really felt like I had "made" it (despite being in the perceived 1%). Everything went to saving for a house deposit for a pretty miserable house in london!!! The only time we actually felt middle class was when we travelled to cheaper destinations overseas. I was transferred to SF about 2 years ago. I got a nice pay increase to $250k, live in a lovely neighbourhood, bought 2 cars (1 new, 1 nearly new), 2 motorcycles (1 new, 1 nearly new), have already saved 100k USD and now planning on getting my sweet wife a great boob job. Never looked back!

splintercell 10y ago

> “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - Ronald Wright, A Short History of Progress This quote is by John Steinbeck not by Ronald Wright. Ronald Wright merely quoted Steinbeck. The way Steinbeck actually said it (and the way you're implying it) is different than how Americans perceive this. To Americans, being a 'millionaire' is a goal to aspire to, it's like to every school kid who dreams of being Harry Potter who fights evil, is a goal to aspire to. But to Steinbeck (a self-described socialist) and to you, these goals are delusions. America IS proudly the nation of temporarily embarrassed millionaires. To Americans them becoming a millionaire is what might happen, whereas to you, that's not what did happen. The reason why European countries are not the nation of temporarily embarrassed millionaires because anyone aspiring that goal would rather move to America (that's also the reason why Europe does not have a real right wing). So what you're left with is people with a different kind of aspiration.