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I think the issue with XMPP is the myriad of XEPs (XMPP extensions) which are optional, causing excessive fragmentation. Some clients are excellent, like conve
by nextos 10y ago
I think the issue with XMPP is the myriad of XEPs (XMPP extensions) which are optional, causing excessive fragmentation.
Some clients are excellent, like conversations.im. The problem is accidental complexity. Perhaps a solution would be to have a meta XEP that aggregates a few basic XEPs and defines a minimum common denominator.
- ge0rg 10y agoThere are attempts at creating an XMPP compliance suite[0], but the biggest problem is actually a lack of volunteers / money to improve the clients and servers. Conversations is driven by one full time developer, most other applications are hobby projects. [0] http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0375.html http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0375.html
- digi_owl 10y agoIt was a real sad day when Facebook and Google decided that proprietary was the way to go...
- ariwilson 10y agoThe writing was on the wall before that, though. WhatsApp was eating everyone's lunch and Facebook / Google wanted to move faster and own the messaging space.
- bigbugbag 10y agoAfaik facebook was designed to be a closed walled garden from the get go and never offered interoperability despite using xmpp at first. Google gtalk predates facebook and happened at different times, IIRC the change to a closed chat service was a reaction due to facebook abusing the openness to scrape contacts.
- nerdponx 10y agoWhat kinds of skills would a volunteer need to be able to contribute?
- SamWhited 10y agoWhat skills you have are laregely irrelavant; just find something that annoys you personally about [your favorite client here], dig in, fix it, and send in a patch. Or, if you're not a developer, use whatever skills you have, mock up a way that a UI component could work better and send it in, or write documentation, or simply file bug reports. Everything helps :)
- jimktrains2 10y agoAlso, most people are introduced to XMPP in ways that don't let group chats work very well, so they think that's an XMPP problem, not the service's.
- brainfire 10y agoHow is that not an XMPP problem?
- jhasse 10y agoBecause it works fine with the right client.
- davecridland 10y agoI'd really appreciate more detail, here.
- jhasse 10y agoIf everyone is using Conversations as their client, group chats work fine. Issues arrise when you introduce other clients into the mix ...
- brainfire 10y agoSo Conversations has implemented a feature that isn't in the protocol, but important enough that when the feature doesn't work, users are turned off? Or it's part of the protocol, but design decisions lead to client interoperability problems? Maybe there's a third answer, but both of these are problems with XMPP.
- jimktrains2 10y agoMulti user chats/chatrooms are part of the protocol though.
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