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46k is really low in France for an experienced dev and that's outside of Paris. Junior dev engineer earn at least 45k when they begin in Paris, and it gets to 6

46k is really low in France for an experienced dev and that's outside of Paris. Junior dev engineer earn at least 45k when they begin in Paris, and it gets to 60k in about 5-10 years. Also corporate taxes are about 23% but you're right on personal income.

throwaway1892 10y ago
Well, my 36k salary, while working around Paris, disagree with your assertion.
- Chris2048 10y ago
  Begging the question - what do you do, and how long have you worked...
  - throwaway1892 10y ago
    I've had my Engineer's Degrees from ISEP last year and I'm working at Alten since October 2016. My official title is development engineer (Ingénieur d'études). Before that, I've done two six-months internship as a junior java dev. Alten is a technology and engineering consulting company, which means, in the context of the French market, that when a company, need a particular profile (like java dev) to staff a position for a set amount of time (like for the expected duration of a project), they'll contract Alten for a developer, java, for x months.
    - Chris2048 10y ago
      Sound like a temp agency, ala Accenture. Does it track market rates? I've worked for a company before that took fresh grads, and relied strongly on them never entering the market for themselves and realising what market rate was.
      - throwaway1892 10y ago
        Yeah, like a temp agency, but we are full employees, which means we are still paid between contracts. The problem is knowing the market rate.
        Chris2048 10y ago
        Yep, same as the company I worked for. Market rate is hard to discover, but harder still if you have an entity working against you - the company I worked for had a binding contract with any client preventing them from revealing how much they paid for temps. Do you have a period of time you are contracted to work? If you can make friends in the Paris dev community, you might be able to find out how good/bad your pay is.
        throwaway1892 10y ago
        From what my former classmates told me, for profiles that are roughly equivalent, it looks like to be closer to 40k. But then they are not in consulting companies. And I'm too much of a lazy ass to look for another job. Also I have few reason right now to seek a higher salary.
        Chris2048 10y ago
        If one of those reasons is "I'm still learning", note that agency jobs can often be exactly the same as non-agency jobs, except with a middle-man sapping away a portion of salary.
      - user5994461 10y ago
        Yes. That's a temp agency (or an Indian consulting company but French, if you're familiar with the concept). They're know for paying shit, and there are arrangements between agencies to not compete with each other. Actual salaries at these places have been on a slow downward trend for many years.
ViktorMihov 10y ago
46k actually high for France and probably average for mid level in Paris.
user5994461 10y ago
There's only a few guys out of a few Parisian schools, all at master's level, that have any chance to get 45k as a junior in Paris. Looks one you're one of them if that's what you've got? ;)

throwaway1892 10y ago

Well, my 36k salary, while working around Paris, disagree with your assertion.

Chris2048 10y ago
Begging the question - what do you do, and how long have you worked...
- throwaway1892 10y ago
  I've had my Engineer's Degrees from ISEP last year and I'm working at Alten since October 2016. My official title is development engineer (Ingénieur d'études). Before that, I've done two six-months internship as a junior java dev. Alten is a technology and engineering consulting company, which means, in the context of the French market, that when a company, need a particular profile (like java dev) to staff a position for a set amount of time (like for the expected duration of a project), they'll contract Alten for a developer, java, for x months.
  - Chris2048 10y ago
    Sound like a temp agency, ala Accenture. Does it track market rates? I've worked for a company before that took fresh grads, and relied strongly on them never entering the market for themselves and realising what market rate was.
    - throwaway1892 10y ago
      Yeah, like a temp agency, but we are full employees, which means we are still paid between contracts. The problem is knowing the market rate.
      - Chris2048 10y ago
        Yep, same as the company I worked for. Market rate is hard to discover, but harder still if you have an entity working against you - the company I worked for had a binding contract with any client preventing them from revealing how much they paid for temps. Do you have a period of time you are contracted to work? If you can make friends in the Paris dev community, you might be able to find out how good/bad your pay is.
        throwaway1892 10y ago
        From what my former classmates told me, for profiles that are roughly equivalent, it looks like to be closer to 40k. But then they are not in consulting companies. And I'm too much of a lazy ass to look for another job. Also I have few reason right now to seek a higher salary.
        Chris2048 10y ago
        If one of those reasons is "I'm still learning", note that agency jobs can often be exactly the same as non-agency jobs, except with a middle-man sapping away a portion of salary.
    - user5994461 10y ago
      Yes. That's a temp agency (or an Indian consulting company but French, if you're familiar with the concept). They're know for paying shit, and there are arrangements between agencies to not compete with each other. Actual salaries at these places have been on a slow downward trend for many years.

ViktorMihov 10y ago

46k actually high for France and probably average for mid level in Paris.

user5994461 10y ago

There's only a few guys out of a few Parisian schools, all at master's level, that have any chance to get 45k as a junior in Paris. Looks one you're one of them if that's what you've got? ;)