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Let me know if you find reliable numbers. The French culture on this is very different, people simply don't talk about money and salary. I found a starting sa

Let me know if you find reliable numbers. The French culture on this is very different, people simply don't talk about money and salary. I found a starting salary survey in a business magazine that indicated graduates of the top 5 engineering schools are getting about 40-55K/year

devilsbabe 10y ago
I just graduated from Ecole Centrale Paris, usually second on engineering school rankings after Ecole Polytechnique. I found a job in web development in a small startup in November and am making ~45k a year.
- geoka9 10y ago
  Gross or take-home?
  - raitom 10y ago
    Gross. We always talk about gross salary in France.
    - geoka9 10y ago
      Yes, we do too. Was just making sure.
      - Joky 10y ago
        France has multiple level of "after-taxes" compared to the US though.
        kchoudhu 10y ago
        Can't be any worse than the Federal, State, City, property tax nightmare US residents in desirable locations (NYC, SF, LA) deal with.
        Joky 10y ago
        It can be unfortunately :) But that was not the point, the point was that people talk about "raw", or "after taxes", while it does not mean the same. In France when they talk about "income after taxes" (~23% salary taxes), it is before the equivalent of US Federal+State taxes. These ~23% are about "social contribution" (mandatory healthcare, retirement, unemployment, etc.). Only then, the income taxes are computed on what remains, depending on your family situation (having children impact a lot in France compared to the US). For a single person it can be up to ~ two-months salary. (City taxes exist there as well after that).
        kchoudhu 10y ago
        Right, but we also pay 7.6% in social security in addition to income taxes, along with hefty healthcare premiums + deductibles which you don't have to worry about[1]. We also don't have the benefit of free higher education. Despite the depressed technical wages, overall, I think the French have a better deal from a quality of life perspective -- especially if, as you say, they have children. I hope their system proves sustainable in the long run... I wish I had a way to participate in it (I could apply for the visa, I suppose), but it would be difficult for my US academic wife to break into French academia[2] at a suitable level. [1] In a bad year, we're talking $13K in deductibles for a family of four on an average insurance plan. [2] Now that I think about it, she studies French domestic politics. Hmmm...
- user5994461 10y ago
  40-45 for master's degree from a very few select schools, like the one from the OP. (Think of it as an equivalent of MIT/standford/harvard. Only a few hundreds lucky people get out of there every year). 35-40k for master's degree from everywhere else. If you don't have a master's just forget about it ^^

devilsbabe 10y ago

I just graduated from Ecole Centrale Paris, usually second on engineering school rankings after Ecole Polytechnique. I found a job in web development in a small startup in November and am making ~45k a year.

geoka9 10y ago
Gross or take-home?
- raitom 10y ago
  Gross. We always talk about gross salary in France.
  - geoka9 10y ago
    Yes, we do too. Was just making sure.
    - Joky 10y ago
      France has multiple level of "after-taxes" compared to the US though.
      - kchoudhu 10y ago
        Can't be any worse than the Federal, State, City, property tax nightmare US residents in desirable locations (NYC, SF, LA) deal with.
        Joky 10y ago
        It can be unfortunately :) But that was not the point, the point was that people talk about "raw", or "after taxes", while it does not mean the same. In France when they talk about "income after taxes" (~23% salary taxes), it is before the equivalent of US Federal+State taxes. These ~23% are about "social contribution" (mandatory healthcare, retirement, unemployment, etc.). Only then, the income taxes are computed on what remains, depending on your family situation (having children impact a lot in France compared to the US). For a single person it can be up to ~ two-months salary. (City taxes exist there as well after that).
        kchoudhu 10y ago
        Right, but we also pay 7.6% in social security in addition to income taxes, along with hefty healthcare premiums + deductibles which you don't have to worry about[1]. We also don't have the benefit of free higher education. Despite the depressed technical wages, overall, I think the French have a better deal from a quality of life perspective -- especially if, as you say, they have children. I hope their system proves sustainable in the long run... I wish I had a way to participate in it (I could apply for the visa, I suppose), but it would be difficult for my US academic wife to break into French academia[2] at a suitable level. [1] In a bad year, we're talking $13K in deductibles for a family of four on an average insurance plan. [2] Now that I think about it, she studies French domestic politics. Hmmm...
user5994461 10y ago
40-45 for master's degree from a very few select schools, like the one from the OP. (Think of it as an equivalent of MIT/standford/harvard. Only a few hundreds lucky people get out of there every year). 35-40k for master's degree from everywhere else. If you don't have a master's just forget about it ^^