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The timing can't be too much of a coincidence.
by lawless123 10y ago
The timing can't be too much of a coincidence.
- camus2 10y agoThe issue is why can't France even attract engineers and investors from WITHIN the Eurozone, these people don't need Visa. The issue is elsewhere, not in the pool of engineers. France can't even retain its own engineers.
- jlangenauer 10y agoBecause those of us in say, Berlin, are doing our damnedest to encourage them here, where we need them for our engineering teams?
- misterhtmlcss 10y agoWhy would France chase an engineer in Germany? That has to be considerably more expensive then acquiring talent from abroad. Just eyeballing this would indicate going after a German or Fin would likely cost more, because 1. They have similar programs, 2. They don't care about Visas and therefore are less likely to be invested in being or staying in France long-term. If France gives me a visa you can be sure I'm there for more than just my business. 3. Language. 270+ million people speak French, so why not pull from countries and cultures that have some shared history and association. Seems to me this makes way more sense for France than chasing down Germans, Dutch, Fins or anyone else local.
- pyrale 10y agoThere's actually quite a lot of competition within EU, and France is not too shameful in that competition. It's hard to compete with London which is undoubtedly the #1 tech hub in Europe, but aside from that, Paris is top notch. Also, you're begging the question.
- LunaSea 10y agoI would still pick Berlin or Amsterdam over France. Maybe even Sweden or Finland because of the average English language level spoken in those countries even though the startup scene there is smaller than Paris.
- pyrale 10y agoYep, that's a valid point.
- Chris2048 10y agoPlus employee welfare in France is ridiculous, ultimately harmful to their economy..
- pyrale 10y agoWe've actually had this welfare for 70 years, and the harm was supposed to come any minute now for all this time. Ultimately, its demise is likely going to come from the propaganda against it rather from it actually being a problem.
- Chris2048 10y agoWho says you haven't seen harm? You're erecting a straw-man. Also, you have to factor in that when the coffers are empty, France may be more willing to sell weapons abroad... So maybe it's not France that sees that harm. http://www.france24.com/en/20150503-arms-sales-becoming-france-new-el-dorado-but-what-cost-francois-hollande-saudi-arabia-rafale http://www.france24.com/en/20150503-arms-sales-becoming-fran...
- Chris2048 10y agoOk, is there some French Defamation League, downvote-brigade choosing to censor realities it dislikes, rather than respond? I note I have down-voted responses to replies that do not have further responses. Hence, from my point of view, it seems when the argument got difficult, down-voting was resorted to.. note: this comment was also down-voted within 5 minutes, again without comment. Those who never comment, never run the risk of malicious down-votes.
- blibble 10y agobecause London is sat next door with considerably higher salaries, and everyone there speaks English not to mention setting up a company costs £14, 20% corporation tax (dropping to 17%), tax back for individuals investing in SEIS companies (which is easy for a firm apply for), and R&D tax credits
- Turing_Machine 10y ago>because London is sat next door with considerably higher salaries, and everyone there speaks English That's a bigger deal than it might seem, even if you're recruiting from countries that aren't nominally Anglophone. If you pick a random engineer in, say, China, there's a lot higher probability that the engineer will speak English than French. English also opens up India, where most educated people have studied English, and English is actually one of the official languages. French is only common in countries where French is an official language, most of which have small populations and/or not much of a tech scene.
- user5994461 10y ago> France can't even retain its own engineers. I confirm! Leaving the country = Best decision in my life :D
- chrstphrhrt 10y agoI've worked with a number of folks from France in Montreal and they all say the same kinds of things. I had chalked it up to some kind of national self-deprecation that is the pride and birthright of true French people :)
- jfbus 10y agoSo you spoke only to French people having left the country, who, obviously, do not regret having left, but to no one happy to have stayed...
- user5994461 10y agoDoes it really matter what we've done? We're both just rationalizing our positions ;)
- pyrale 10y agoThe french tech stuff actually predates brexit. There's been a lot of nice french initiatives to promote tech, in the last few years. It's still hard to overcome the anglosphere bias and to promote internationally, but from the inside it's still a nice atmosphere.