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"A phone number is nothing you can just keep. Also i OWN my emails domains." I don't get the distinction the author is trying to make: if you stop paying the r

by al2o3cr 10y ago

"A phone number is nothing you can just keep. Also i OWN my emails domains." I don't get the distinction the author is trying to make: if you stop paying the renewal fees for them you'll find you "own" those domains exactly as much as you "own" a phone number.

jedimastert 10y ago
Having a phone number and a domain actually have way more similarities than I think this guy wants to say. You don't own your domain, your registrar does and you are leasing it. Sure, generally you go year to year instead of month to month, but in the end you don't own your domain either. And it's way easier for someone to target you.
- herbst 10y ago
  I dont know about other countries, carriers or contracts. But my contract clearly stated that my phone provider can cancel the account anytime without prior notice if they think that is necessary. Its a typical piece of text you find in many service based business contracts. I dont claim to know what exactly this means, but it surely is a difference to having to sue me for a valid reason to be allowed to take over my domain. A process that not only takes a while but also has several prior warnings. Sure it is not _mine_ ether. But it is more mine than a phone number ever will be. Edit:// I tried to look it up, except trademark stuff (and even then its not easy) i dont see any reason a domain could be taken away from the renter while beeing paid for.
  - jedimastert 10y ago
    Looking at the Namecheap TOS[1], it says they can terminate you at any time. [1]https://www.namecheap.com/legal/domains/registration-agreement.aspx https://www.namecheap.com/legal/domains/registration-agreeme...
    - herbst 10y ago
      You are twisting reality here. It says they warn me 30 days prior and if i do not move my domains until then they will terminate it. Which makes sense, they dont have, for some reason, keep me as client if they dont want to.
      - jedimastert 10y ago
        I missed that part; that's my bad.
- mojuba 10y ago
  The essential difference though is that mobile carriers are less trustworthy than the most trustworthy domain registrars. Plus mobile networks are usually controlled by a single authority in each country, whereas the Internet and its domain name system is a bit more democratic. It's all relative of course, but still. So given a choice I'd rely on my email address more than "my" phone number.
herbst 10y ago
My phone contract clearly stated that the contract can be cancelled anytime by the provider without prior notice. Taking away a domain is a costly, long and usually failing process. Sure i need to pay for both I agree that i worded that badly tho
- baq 10y ago
  > Taking away a domain is a costly, long and usually failing process. source please, including your registrar's TOS
  - herbst 10y ago
    https://www.nic.ch/terms/agb/ https://www.nic.ch/terms/agb/ Or even which someone linked below (to refute my claims) https://www.namecheap.com/legal/domains/registration-agreement.aspx https://www.namecheap.com/legal/domains/registration-agreeme... They also have the "remove anytime thing" but they warn you and give you 30 days to move your domains. So if they decide to close my account, they dont take my domains.
    - tomhoward 10y ago
      There may be a difference in contractual terms, but without much of a difference in substance. The whole telephony system relies on people keeping the same phone number. Individuals and families rely on it as a most basic necessity. Businesses invest vast sums of money promoting awareness of their phone number. If telco providers went around taking people's phone numbers away without very good reason, there'd be uproar, and the telco system (and indeed, to some degree, the economy), would cease to work.
      - herbst 10y ago
        I think i said this multiple times in this thread (and probably even in the article, not sure) but i am fully aware how unlikely this is. I just used it as additional argument that now many used to pick on. I never heard of anyone got his number taken when they paid the fee. I highly assume most companies never done that actually. Edit:// Its not actually the point tho, it is just a (obviously not that well) argument for my point
delinka 10y ago
"A phone number is nothing you can just keep." In the US, you certainly can keep a phone number. You can take it from one telecom service provider to another. But you do indeed have to keep paying your bill to maintain this ability.

by al2o3cr 10y ago

jedimastert 10y ago

Having a phone number and a domain actually have way more similarities than I think this guy wants to say. You don't own your domain, your registrar does and you are leasing it. Sure, generally you go year to year instead of month to month, but in the end you don't own your domain either. And it's way easier for someone to target you.

herbst 10y ago
I dont know about other countries, carriers or contracts. But my contract clearly stated that my phone provider can cancel the account anytime without prior notice if they think that is necessary. Its a typical piece of text you find in many service based business contracts. I dont claim to know what exactly this means, but it surely is a difference to having to sue me for a valid reason to be allowed to take over my domain. A process that not only takes a while but also has several prior warnings. Sure it is not _mine_ ether. But it is more mine than a phone number ever will be. Edit:// I tried to look it up, except trademark stuff (and even then its not easy) i dont see any reason a domain could be taken away from the renter while beeing paid for.
- jedimastert 10y ago
  Looking at the Namecheap TOS[1], it says they can terminate you at any time. [1]https://www.namecheap.com/legal/domains/registration-agreement.aspx https://www.namecheap.com/legal/domains/registration-agreeme...
  - herbst 10y ago
    You are twisting reality here. It says they warn me 30 days prior and if i do not move my domains until then they will terminate it. Which makes sense, they dont have, for some reason, keep me as client if they dont want to.
    - jedimastert 10y ago
      I missed that part; that's my bad.
mojuba 10y ago
The essential difference though is that mobile carriers are less trustworthy than the most trustworthy domain registrars. Plus mobile networks are usually controlled by a single authority in each country, whereas the Internet and its domain name system is a bit more democratic. It's all relative of course, but still. So given a choice I'd rely on my email address more than "my" phone number.

herbst 10y ago

My phone contract clearly stated that the contract can be cancelled anytime by the provider without prior notice. Taking away a domain is a costly, long and usually failing process. Sure i need to pay for both I agree that i worded that badly tho

baq 10y ago
> Taking away a domain is a costly, long and usually failing process. source please, including your registrar's TOS
- herbst 10y ago
  https://www.nic.ch/terms/agb/ https://www.nic.ch/terms/agb/ Or even which someone linked below (to refute my claims) https://www.namecheap.com/legal/domains/registration-agreement.aspx https://www.namecheap.com/legal/domains/registration-agreeme... They also have the "remove anytime thing" but they warn you and give you 30 days to move your domains. So if they decide to close my account, they dont take my domains.
  - tomhoward 10y ago
    There may be a difference in contractual terms, but without much of a difference in substance. The whole telephony system relies on people keeping the same phone number. Individuals and families rely on it as a most basic necessity. Businesses invest vast sums of money promoting awareness of their phone number. If telco providers went around taking people's phone numbers away without very good reason, there'd be uproar, and the telco system (and indeed, to some degree, the economy), would cease to work.
    - herbst 10y ago
      I think i said this multiple times in this thread (and probably even in the article, not sure) but i am fully aware how unlikely this is. I just used it as additional argument that now many used to pick on. I never heard of anyone got his number taken when they paid the fee. I highly assume most companies never done that actually. Edit:// Its not actually the point tho, it is just a (obviously not that well) argument for my point

delinka 10y ago

"A phone number is nothing you can just keep." In the US, you certainly can keep a phone number. You can take it from one telecom service provider to another. But you do indeed have to keep paying your bill to maintain this ability.