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I don't know what control means to you. You mean stuff that you don't have to pay for? Stuff that can't be taken away from you? I have had the same number with

by devoply 10y ago

I don't know what control means to you. You mean stuff that you don't have to pay for? Stuff that can't be taken away from you? I have had the same number with VOIP.ms for 5 years. Even used it from Mexico. It does not seem to me to be out of my control.

herbst 10y ago
Control means i own it. You never own telephone numbers, maybe you do in some countries i dont know, but they usual contract is that you rent them and they can be taken away from you anytime. Sure they usually dont, but building a security system on something like that is obviously suboptimal.
- tyingq 10y ago
  Not sure I understand the difference between renting a telephone number and renting a domain, or email address, or even a home address. All can be taken away for various reasons, failure to pay rent/renewal/mortgage, legal confiscations, etc.
  - SomeStupidPoint 10y ago
    As far as I can tell, it's just a whine services don't let you use a preferred rented identity listing (that is arguably less tied to the real world). There's not a lot of genuine security or legal analysis to be found here.
    - herbst 10y ago
      Some other guy went a bit more into genuine security if thats your thing: https://www.devever.net/~hl/e164 https://www.devever.net/~hl/e164
  - herbst 10y ago
    According to my telephone contract it can be taken at any time and i am not entitled to my telephone number. This is something you dont find with domains.
    - tyingq 10y ago
      They can take your domain away, for example, if you fail to respond to an inquiry regarding invalid contact info. Anyone can initiate one of those inquiries. And, of course, there's the various domain name dispute policies at ICANN.
      - herbst 10y ago
        I just checked for details. So far as i can tell its a long, costly and usually failing process to get a domain taken. VS. Just a random thought by a single entity to get your phone number taken.

by devoply 10y ago

herbst 10y ago

Control means i own it. You never own telephone numbers, maybe you do in some countries i dont know, but they usual contract is that you rent them and they can be taken away from you anytime. Sure they usually dont, but building a security system on something like that is obviously suboptimal.

tyingq 10y ago
Not sure I understand the difference between renting a telephone number and renting a domain, or email address, or even a home address. All can be taken away for various reasons, failure to pay rent/renewal/mortgage, legal confiscations, etc.
- SomeStupidPoint 10y ago
  As far as I can tell, it's just a whine services don't let you use a preferred rented identity listing (that is arguably less tied to the real world). There's not a lot of genuine security or legal analysis to be found here.
  - herbst 10y ago
    Some other guy went a bit more into genuine security if thats your thing: https://www.devever.net/~hl/e164 https://www.devever.net/~hl/e164
- herbst 10y ago
  According to my telephone contract it can be taken at any time and i am not entitled to my telephone number. This is something you dont find with domains.
  - tyingq 10y ago
    They can take your domain away, for example, if you fail to respond to an inquiry regarding invalid contact info. Anyone can initiate one of those inquiries. And, of course, there's the various domain name dispute policies at ICANN.
    - herbst 10y ago
      I just checked for details. So far as i can tell its a long, costly and usually failing process to get a domain taken. VS. Just a random thought by a single entity to get your phone number taken.