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SrsLTE: Open Source 3GPP LTE Library

146 points by BuuQu9hu 10y ago

zmanian 10y ago
Can I use this to enumerate LTE base stations? i.e. find Stingrays?
- metafex 10y ago
  Yes. It says "Cell search and synchronization procedure for the UE" under features (UE stands for User Equipment, e.g. a LTE modem). edit: cell search example https://github.com/srsLTE/srsLTE/blob/master/srslte/examples/cell_search.c https://github.com/srsLTE/srsLTE/blob/master/srslte/examples...
cavemanmike 10y ago
Awesome! Interesting that they're using the USRP, but have opted to use C directly rather than Gnuradio (python). I imagine the performance is pretty good because of this. Looks awesome, wish I had the time to play with it.
- deutronium 10y ago
  A lot of GNU Radio is actually written in C++. Looking at some examples, it seems you don't need Python to create the flow graph either, that can be done in C++.
  - lima 10y ago
    All performance critical stuff is implemented in C++. Python is just for the high-level part.
    - deutronium 10y ago
      Gotcha, cheers
hlandau 10y ago
This is very nice to see. I would note however that the use of the AGPL instead of the GPL here is probably legally meaningless. I wrote about this: https://www.devever.net/~hl/agplunenforceable https://www.devever.net/~hl/agplunenforceable
- BuuQu9hu 10y ago
  IIRC the extra clauses of the AGPL are triggered on modification of the work (which is restricted to copyright holders and licensees), not on public performance or communicating over the network. So if you are running the exact same version you downloaded, there are no extra provisions. If you patch the code to, say, fix a typo, then you have to distribute the code to network users.
  - hlandau 10y ago
    This presupposes that modification of a copy of a copyrighted work that one lawfully owns is, in itself (even without subsequent distribution), an act restricted by copyright. I contest this assertion. Even if it were the case, the permissions granted by the AGPL are not mutually exclusive with any other set of permissions. Dual licencing, for example, is a common practice. Thus, I'd argue one can take advantage of provisions of the AGPL permitting modification, but not rely on it, but instead on the provisions of copyright law itself, to actually execute the software. The AGPL is not a contract, it is a copyright licence; as such, the set of actions you can take for an AGPL-licenced piece of software is by definition a strict superset of the set of actions you can take for "all rights reserved" software.
    - BuuQu9hu 10y ago
      You don't own the work, the copyright holder does.
      - hlandau 10y ago
        Um, yes. And?
jimrandomh 10y ago
It's good to see an open source implementation of this, since the closed-source nature of most radio implementations (especially in cell phone basebands) is a serious problem. But I'm a little concerned to see that this is all written in C. While I can see some good reasons for that (easier porting to microcontrollers, for example), the C programming language has a well-deserved reputation for being extremely hard to write securely. Has anyone looked at this closely enough to comment on whether it's likely to hold up against people looking for vulnerabilities, as-is or after some careful auditing?
- mtanski 10y ago
  Speed matters. According to the authors of this software "Highly optimized Turbo Decoder available in Intel SSE4.1/AVX (+100 Mbps) and standard C (+25 Mbps)". Also, a lot of alternatives are just not there. Rust is not mature; today it doesn't "fully" support SIMD. Go requires a runtime, does not support SIMD, and has a penalty for calling C code.

146 points by BuuQu9hu 10y ago

zmanian 10y ago

Can I use this to enumerate LTE base stations? i.e. find Stingrays?

metafex 10y ago
Yes. It says "Cell search and synchronization procedure for the UE" under features (UE stands for User Equipment, e.g. a LTE modem). edit: cell search example https://github.com/srsLTE/srsLTE/blob/master/srslte/examples/cell_search.c https://github.com/srsLTE/srsLTE/blob/master/srslte/examples...

cavemanmike 10y ago

Awesome! Interesting that they're using the USRP, but have opted to use C directly rather than Gnuradio (python). I imagine the performance is pretty good because of this. Looks awesome, wish I had the time to play with it.

deutronium 10y ago
A lot of GNU Radio is actually written in C++. Looking at some examples, it seems you don't need Python to create the flow graph either, that can be done in C++.
- lima 10y ago
  All performance critical stuff is implemented in C++. Python is just for the high-level part.
  - deutronium 10y ago
    Gotcha, cheers

hlandau 10y ago

This is very nice to see. I would note however that the use of the AGPL instead of the GPL here is probably legally meaningless. I wrote about this: https://www.devever.net/~hl/agplunenforceable https://www.devever.net/~hl/agplunenforceable

BuuQu9hu 10y ago
IIRC the extra clauses of the AGPL are triggered on modification of the work (which is restricted to copyright holders and licensees), not on public performance or communicating over the network. So if you are running the exact same version you downloaded, there are no extra provisions. If you patch the code to, say, fix a typo, then you have to distribute the code to network users.
- hlandau 10y ago
  This presupposes that modification of a copy of a copyrighted work that one lawfully owns is, in itself (even without subsequent distribution), an act restricted by copyright. I contest this assertion. Even if it were the case, the permissions granted by the AGPL are not mutually exclusive with any other set of permissions. Dual licencing, for example, is a common practice. Thus, I'd argue one can take advantage of provisions of the AGPL permitting modification, but not rely on it, but instead on the provisions of copyright law itself, to actually execute the software. The AGPL is not a contract, it is a copyright licence; as such, the set of actions you can take for an AGPL-licenced piece of software is by definition a strict superset of the set of actions you can take for "all rights reserved" software.
  - BuuQu9hu 10y ago
    You don't own the work, the copyright holder does.
    - hlandau 10y ago
      Um, yes. And?

jimrandomh 10y ago

It's good to see an open source implementation of this, since the closed-source nature of most radio implementations (especially in cell phone basebands) is a serious problem. But I'm a little concerned to see that this is all written in C. While I can see some good reasons for that (easier porting to microcontrollers, for example), the C programming language has a well-deserved reputation for being extremely hard to write securely. Has anyone looked at this closely enough to comment on whether it's likely to hold up against people looking for vulnerabilities, as-is or after some careful auditing?

mtanski 10y ago
Speed matters. According to the authors of this software "Highly optimized Turbo Decoder available in Intel SSE4.1/AVX (+100 Mbps) and standard C (+25 Mbps)". Also, a lot of alternatives are just not there. Rust is not mature; today it doesn't "fully" support SIMD. Go requires a runtime, does not support SIMD, and has a penalty for calling C code.