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Satire?
by tantalor 10y ago
Satire?
- SomeStupidPoint 10y agoWhy would it be satire? The question of pattern recognition in random noise is interesting and a legitimate question. Animals (given our propensity to see then) and an interesting subject matter.
- tantalor 10y agoThe premise of extracting meaning from noise is flawed. It doesn't matter what process you use to arrive at the meaningful conclusions if the source material is completely meaningless. It's analogous to a fallacy of false premise: you can literally arrive at any conclusion given a false assumption.
- Kaibeezy 10y ago"random" encompasses an infinite array of variable parameters -- linear blur, Gaussian blur; white noise, brown noise, pink noise -- some of these can tend to make animals appear in dot patterns, or melodic phrases arise from static, or whisky taste of butterscotch and leather
- jlarocco 10y agoGenerating random noise and then filtering it to "find" patterns seems dubious, at best. Why not just generate animal shapes in the first place? Starting from a random image it's possible to manipulate and filter it to find literally anything. It doesn't mean there are "animal pictures" in the random data; it means the image has been manipulated to look like it. It's a tautology.
- SomeStupidPoint 10y agoIn a sufficiently large random image, you'll (probably) find as detailed of a picture of a rabbit as you like. The question is about how often image recognition (either human or algorithmic) picks up a signal in random noise -- that is, how often we see things that aren't there (or if you prefer, are there, but by chance). Of course you can find anything, the question is with what frequency. If you've ever spent much time looking at random patterns, you'd know that we're prone to seeing things that aren't there in noise. Modeling that phenomenon is interesting (at least to me).
- penagwin 10y agoI don't know much about wolfram things, but just looking through it, it appears that the manipulation and filtering is grouping the randomly generated data (I would argue it's still random), taking only groups between a certain size(this is the least random part, it makes sure there are enough "features" yet not too many), and then smoothing out the groups for display (still completely dependant on the data, which was random). As the "animals" are smoothed groups of random data, (and differ every time) , I'd argue it's still (basically) random.
- nathancahill 10y agoI love that every post I see linked from Wolfram is so over the top that it borders on satire. Especially the posts from the author of the software. It's so incredibly powerful in such odd ways.
- iaw 10y agoStephen Wolfram seems absurdly intelligent to me, I can't even fathom the depth of his comprehensions.
- ajkjk 10y agoHe seems pretty intelligent but very egotistical to many people. He acts (well, acted) as though he's a messiah when he's just another smart dude.
- taneq 10y agoWhy the past tense? I thought he was still around? Or do you just mean he's less egotistical these days?
- ajkjk 10y agoThe examples of him being super egotistical that I'm aware of are from a while ago. I'm thinking of this kind of thing, where he thinks he knows everything about every field: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_New_Kind_of_Science https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_New_Kind_of_Science
- frou_dh 10y agoWe've got Wolfram Derangement Syndrome* ITT when he didn't even write the post! * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10978871 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10978871
- ajkjk 10y agoOk?