> From an engineering perspective, the 'best' long term approaches are those which produce either the largest number or largest percentage of desired outcomes.

> From an engineering perspective, the 'best' long term approaches are those which produce either the largest number or largest percentage of desired outcomes. Given that activists have been working on this for several decades, what would you have done differently, and how would it have been more successful given the same resources? > Also, getting people to change their historical mindset is a big part of effecting progress. Would you say that getting people to change their historical mindset such that they no longer countenance animals being used for circus entertainment progress?