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I hate how Windows 10 silently installs updates and then rolls them back every time I boot it up (and then forces another reboot)... all because I have a Linux

by nly 10y ago

I hate how Windows 10 silently installs updates and then rolls them back every time I boot it up (and then forces another reboot)... all because I have a Linux bootloader installed and C: isnt the active partition. Fuck you Microsoft. This is 2017. You've had 25+ years to perfect dual booting.

harrygeez 10y ago
Comments like this make me think Linux fanboys like you are pathetic sadists who have no life and only live to spread FUD. I triple boot OS X, Arch Linux and Windows on my MacBook Pro and NEVER had I faced a Windows update failure like what you described.
- nly 10y ago
  Probably because your MBP is using UEFI? I'm still using good old PC BIOS partitioning, dual boot Arch and Windows 10, and after every single Patch Tuesday I end up having to manually change the boot partition, update Windows, then use third party Windows software (because Microsofts built in tool wont let you set a partition containing a filesystem they don't recognise as active to switch it back to Archs /boot . I rarely boot in to Windows 10, but very single time I do now its a 5 minute update, rollback, reboot dance. I just don't know how you could call this 'FUD' when its been painfully obvious for 10-15 years that Windows Update is about as broken and agonising as it gets. And, while I am a 'Linux fanboy', I also have a Mac... and Apple manage to make updates a joy.
  - jjawssd 10y ago
    Use UEFI?
  - WayneBro 10y ago
    Why should Microsoft cater to people who want to boot Linux? It's not their OS. Apple doesn't either. The Linux community has to build all sorts of workarounds for Apple's crummy practices. Furthermore, if you rarely booted Linux or your Mac - you'd have a lot of update problems with them too. In my experience, Linux Mint will literally shit all over itself when it tries to update, if you haven't constantly kept it up to date for some reason. With Apple, if you haven't updated in a while you might be in for a good 30-60 minutes of fighting with their updater to work properly. Besides that, Apple does weird shit with hardware during updates because of the extreme measures that they go to in order to keep competitors out. That's why there has been a plague of issues with 3rd party (and even 1st part) hardware dying during OS X updates - https://www.google.com/search?q=os+x+mouse+not+working+after+update https://www.google.com/search?q=os+x+mouse+not+working+after... Apple also delivers silent updates - https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+silent+updates https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+silent+updates EDIT: Also, your story conflicts itself. Is it "every single patch Tuesday" or is it "I rarely boot Windows 10"? Anyway, you should just fix your configuration to one that is supported by Microsoft. Would you run a hardware configuration that isn't supported by your Linux distro and then complain about it when it didn't work? No, you would not. And if your reply is that "I'd fix it myself..." - no you probably wouldn't. If you're one of the rare few who actually would, then you're spending the most precious resource that you have in order to do it - your time. In that case - I hope you enjoy doing it! Me? Like many people, I'll take convenience any day over ultimate flexibility.
    - tdkl 10y ago
      >Why should Microsoft cater to people who want to boot Linux? They don't need to cater to them, they need to NOT block them from doing so, because they're a monopoly in this space.
      - WayneBro 10y ago
        Exactly. They are not blocking anybody from dual booting here. They simply not supporting this one configuration that he is running.
        tornadoboy55 10y ago
        Which is kind of silly since Apple (notorious for 'my way or the highway') officially supports dual-booting Windows.
        WayneBro 10y ago
        Apple needs Windows because next to nobody depends on Mac OS X to do anything. Meanwhile, 90% of the world uses Windows. Microsoft doesn't need Linux desktop barely anybody runs it.
        tornadoboy55 10y ago
        > Apple needs Windows because next to nobody depends on Mac OS X to do anything. Photographers, musicians, software developers, small businesses, students.. but except those none, sure..
    - slitaz 10y ago
      Customers want dual-boot. If they are really into customer satisfaction, they should do it.
- sctb 10y ago
  We can safely leave this kind of name-calling out of discussions here, as the guidelines ask: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
arachnophobe 10y ago
I wouldn't mind if it <i>was</i> one if my dual boot machines, that might almost be unstable, but both these failures were on single OS laptops.
mtgx 10y ago
You're making it sound as if Microsoft would want dual-booting to work. Hasn't the Surface Pro been pretty bad for using Linux on it so far, compared to other notebooks?

by nly 10y ago

harrygeez 10y ago

Comments like this make me think Linux fanboys like you are pathetic sadists who have no life and only live to spread FUD. I triple boot OS X, Arch Linux and Windows on my MacBook Pro and NEVER had I faced a Windows update failure like what you described.

nly 10y ago
Probably because your MBP is using UEFI? I'm still using good old PC BIOS partitioning, dual boot Arch and Windows 10, and after every single Patch Tuesday I end up having to manually change the boot partition, update Windows, then use third party Windows software (because Microsofts built in tool wont let you set a partition containing a filesystem they don't recognise as active to switch it back to Archs /boot . I rarely boot in to Windows 10, but very single time I do now its a 5 minute update, rollback, reboot dance. I just don't know how you could call this 'FUD' when its been painfully obvious for 10-15 years that Windows Update is about as broken and agonising as it gets. And, while I am a 'Linux fanboy', I also have a Mac... and Apple manage to make updates a joy.
- jjawssd 10y ago
  Use UEFI?
- WayneBro 10y ago
  Why should Microsoft cater to people who want to boot Linux? It's not their OS. Apple doesn't either. The Linux community has to build all sorts of workarounds for Apple's crummy practices. Furthermore, if you rarely booted Linux or your Mac - you'd have a lot of update problems with them too. In my experience, Linux Mint will literally shit all over itself when it tries to update, if you haven't constantly kept it up to date for some reason. With Apple, if you haven't updated in a while you might be in for a good 30-60 minutes of fighting with their updater to work properly. Besides that, Apple does weird shit with hardware during updates because of the extreme measures that they go to in order to keep competitors out. That's why there has been a plague of issues with 3rd party (and even 1st part) hardware dying during OS X updates - https://www.google.com/search?q=os+x+mouse+not+working+after+update https://www.google.com/search?q=os+x+mouse+not+working+after... Apple also delivers silent updates - https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+silent+updates https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+silent+updates EDIT: Also, your story conflicts itself. Is it "every single patch Tuesday" or is it "I rarely boot Windows 10"? Anyway, you should just fix your configuration to one that is supported by Microsoft. Would you run a hardware configuration that isn't supported by your Linux distro and then complain about it when it didn't work? No, you would not. And if your reply is that "I'd fix it myself..." - no you probably wouldn't. If you're one of the rare few who actually would, then you're spending the most precious resource that you have in order to do it - your time. In that case - I hope you enjoy doing it! Me? Like many people, I'll take convenience any day over ultimate flexibility.
  - tdkl 10y ago
    >Why should Microsoft cater to people who want to boot Linux? They don't need to cater to them, they need to NOT block them from doing so, because they're a monopoly in this space.
    - WayneBro 10y ago
      Exactly. They are not blocking anybody from dual booting here. They simply not supporting this one configuration that he is running.
      - tornadoboy55 10y ago
        Which is kind of silly since Apple (notorious for 'my way or the highway') officially supports dual-booting Windows.
        WayneBro 10y ago
        Apple needs Windows because next to nobody depends on Mac OS X to do anything. Meanwhile, 90% of the world uses Windows. Microsoft doesn't need Linux desktop barely anybody runs it.
        tornadoboy55 10y ago
        > Apple needs Windows because next to nobody depends on Mac OS X to do anything. Photographers, musicians, software developers, small businesses, students.. but except those none, sure..
  - slitaz 10y ago
    Customers want dual-boot. If they are really into customer satisfaction, they should do it.
sctb 10y ago
We can safely leave this kind of name-calling out of discussions here, as the guidelines ask: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

arachnophobe 10y ago

I wouldn't mind if it <i>was</i> one if my dual boot machines, that might almost be unstable, but both these failures were on single OS laptops.

mtgx 10y ago

You're making it sound as if Microsoft would want dual-booting to work. Hasn't the Surface Pro been pretty bad for using Linux on it so far, compared to other notebooks?