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I hope you all don't eat meat, eggs, cheese, or milk. The animals that those come from would love to be treated as well as circus animals. And do you understan
by notpc 10y ago
I hope you all don't eat meat, eggs, cheese, or milk. The animals that those come from would love to be treated as well as circus animals.
And do you understand that these animals are absolutely vicious and cruel with each other in the wild? A tiger will start picking at your guts while you're still breathing. A male lion will kill all of the existing cubs of its new mate.
- aaronharder 10y agoWhich, I guess, is ample justification for humans to treat these animals cruelly? Not really following the logic of your argument here. Though I definitely agree with your point about cruelties inherent in the meat and dairy industries.
- hueving 10y agoNot a justification, just highlighting the hypocrisy of happily eating meat while complaining about circus animal treatment.
- bunderbunder 10y agoThere are much better, more constructive ways you could frame that message. Ways that are much more likely to be received well. Just to toss one possibility out, maybe something along the lines of "Hey, that did bother me. Check out this other thing that bothers me about X farming."
- notpc 10y agoNone of them bother me actually.
- macintux 10y agoYou don't think it likely that a significant proportion of the loudest opponents are also vegetarians? I love people who make silly counter arguments. Watched a hunter challenge someone protesting their hunt: "Do you wear leather?" "I'm a vegetarian" was the entirely predictable response. (Actually, I now remember it was the other way around. "Do you wear leather" was the next step after asking the protester whether he ate meat and getting the vegetarian answer. As if a vegetarian would go out of his way to avoid meat, protest hunts, and still not be aware where leather came from.)
- macintux 10y agoI suppose the key insight is this: it's human nature to want those who disagree with us to turn out to be hypocrites. Much easier than dealing with the possibility that our moral code is broken.
- notpc 10y agoIdentifying hypocrisy is not just about dismissing opponents, it's about getting them to reconsider their views, which are possibly not well-founded and contradictory.
- mistersquid 10y agoStriving for ethical and compassionate behavior toward animals need not be and should not be an all or nothing prospect. For example, a vegetarian who wears leather may very well cause less harm to animals than an omnivore who wears leather. Restricting one's consumption to vegetables can promote animal welfare despite engaging in other practices that harm animals. Demoralizing people who strive to promote animal welfare by pointing out their contradictory behavior is less desirable, to my mind, than encouraging people to do as much as they can. Why not reconsider your own views and encourage such people to promote animal welfare in all the ways they could rather than demoralizing them to give up altogether? EDIT: spelling, rewrite final sentence, formatting.
- adamnemecek 10y ago> And do you understand that these animals are absolutely vicious and cruel with each other in the wild? Human society is built on not behaving like animals to each other. Sounds like a good idea to extend this to other sentient beings.
- sigi45 10y agoI do eat meat and i do see the point in eating less/no meat. But eating meat affects my daily live a 1000x more than a circus show i'm normally not watching. Besides that, i also think it is a different thing: You do have to eat, we are eating meet for 10000 years and we need it much more than watching a circus show. Also killing an animal quick and fast is also a different thing than dominating an animal for a show.
- bradbeattie 10y ago"It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes." -- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864 "A healthy vegan diet can meet all your nutrient needs at any stage of life including when you are pregnant, breastfeeding or for older adults." -- http://www.dietitians.ca/Your-Health/Nutrition-A-Z/Vegetarian-Diets/Eating-Guidelines-for-Vegans.aspx http://www.dietitians.ca/Your-Health/Nutrition-A-Z/Vegetaria... No, you don't need meat; You want it.
- notpc 10y agoIt's also very difficult to have a "well-planned" vegetarian or vegan diet, especially for children. The chance that you get it right is pretty low. A vegan diet for children is borderline child abuse in my opinion.
- bradbeattie 10y agoIn fairness, the chances of most North Americans getting it right are pretty low when you consider the obesity epidemic, lack of physical activity, and all their orbiting ailments. To your point though, difficult in what respect? I've been doing this since I was 9 and haven't had any issues. The most common concerns I hear are nutritional (protein, iron, calcium, B12) and convenience (restaurants, grocery stores, birthday cakes, etc). But I'm curious as to what your specific concerns are.