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>Another good answer is all the benefits of Free Software, but many of those are benefits the general public doesn’t yet realize they need. So if they don't ag

>Another good answer is all the benefits of Free Software, but many of those are benefits the general public doesn’t yet realize they need. So if they don't agree those benefits are needed, it's because they are wrong/inexperienced/misled/stupid/...? You think people should care about privacy and "openness of the software", whatever that is (most people can't code, so they rightfully don't care about the availability of the source code of the OS or apps). What most people (including myself) care about, instead, is ease of use and reliability. You'll never catch up with the ease of use and reliability of iOS (not even Android can, and then not even Microsoft could catch up with Android), that's why Firefox OS failed and your mobile OS will fail as well.

Brakenshire 10y ago
> You think people should care about privacy and "openness of the software", whatever that is (most people can't code, so they rightfully don't care about the availability of the source code of the OS or apps). What most people (including myself) care about, instead, is ease of use and reliability. If you talk to inexperienced computer users, probably the most common complaint you will get is that software they are using is being changed underneath them, after they have got used to it. You could turn around your argument 180 degrees, and still be equally valid in saying that it the walled garden 'we will do what is best for you' attitude is actually about saying that users "don't agree those benefits are needed, because they are wrong/inexperienced/misled/stupid/...?"
- akjainaj 10y ago
  >If you talk to inexperienced computer users, probably the most common complaint you will get is that software they are using is being changed underneath them, after they have got used to it. Open source projects do that all the time too. Think of GNOME 2 -> 3, and compare it to iOS 6 -> 7. >the walled garden 'we will do what is best for you' attitude If we take Apple as an example, their attitude is "we will do what makes us sell more", which aligns with what users will want the software to do, otherwise they lose a sale. On the other hand since nobody uses Ubuntu Phone, Canonical will do whatever they want with it, knowing they'll get almost no complains. So which one serves the user better?
  - FatalBaboon 10y ago
    Yes, that is why Apple released the new MBP, with a touchbar perfectly aligned with what users desperately wanted.
    - rimantas 10y ago
      Those who complsin the most don not really want anything except to rant—that's the cheapest way for them to appear smart.
- digi_owl 10y ago
  I don't see how "inexperience" have anything to do with it. Sure, experienced users may be more adaptive. But that does not mean they enjoy it. In particular when they have been through the process a few times, and it always ended up feeling like a red queen's race.

Brakenshire 10y ago

> You think people should care about privacy and "openness of the software", whatever that is (most people can't code, so they rightfully don't care about the availability of the source code of the OS or apps). What most people (including myself) care about, instead, is ease of use and reliability. If you talk to inexperienced computer users, probably the most common complaint you will get is that software they are using is being changed underneath them, after they have got used to it. You could turn around your argument 180 degrees, and still be equally valid in saying that it the walled garden 'we will do what is best for you' attitude is actually about saying that users "don't agree those benefits are needed, because they are wrong/inexperienced/misled/stupid/...?"

akjainaj 10y ago
>If you talk to inexperienced computer users, probably the most common complaint you will get is that software they are using is being changed underneath them, after they have got used to it. Open source projects do that all the time too. Think of GNOME 2 -> 3, and compare it to iOS 6 -> 7. >the walled garden 'we will do what is best for you' attitude If we take Apple as an example, their attitude is "we will do what makes us sell more", which aligns with what users will want the software to do, otherwise they lose a sale. On the other hand since nobody uses Ubuntu Phone, Canonical will do whatever they want with it, knowing they'll get almost no complains. So which one serves the user better?
- FatalBaboon 10y ago
  Yes, that is why Apple released the new MBP, with a touchbar perfectly aligned with what users desperately wanted.
  - rimantas 10y ago
    Those who complsin the most don not really want anything except to rant—that's the cheapest way for them to appear smart.
digi_owl 10y ago
I don't see how "inexperience" have anything to do with it. Sure, experienced users may be more adaptive. But that does not mean they enjoy it. In particular when they have been through the process a few times, and it always ended up feeling like a red queen's race.