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You could say that in response to literally anything a government does. You're welcome to move to a non spying government, you're welcome to move to a non prohi

You could say that in response to literally anything a government does. You're welcome to move to a non spying government, you're welcome to move to a non prohibitionist government, you're welcome to move to a non police brutality government, etc etc. Are you are arguing that staying in a geographical area constitutes consent for whatever the state in control of it does?

em3rgent0rdr 10y ago
Using raverbashing's logic, it sounds like he is saying every American resident "consents" to everything that Bush/Obama has done and everything that Trump will do...
raverbashing 10y ago
> Are you are arguing that staying in a geographical area constitutes consent for whatever the state in control of it does? No I'm saying that without the government you wouldn't be making this comment on the internet, in English, or even have had a roof over your head.
- sneak 10y ago
  The humans that comprise the current US government had no part in any of those things. Nations are a way of making people proud of things that they did not do, and making people hate other people that they have never met.
  - matt4077 10y ago
    Are you really denying that you're relying on the courts and police to – for example – protect your property?
    - meanduck 10y ago
      Yes I am. Police/Courts works because people are non-aggressive. And when you do get in trouble, Police/Courts should be last in your list of things that will help.
    - lacampbell 10y ago
      Have you lived in an area with high rates of theft before? I have (parts of New Zealand) and IME the police really don't care. I 100% do not rely on police or courts to protect my property - because they don't.
- lacampbell 10y ago
  I don't understand. Human beings are capable of performing many tasks without the state. Including building roads and infrastructure. The government is just an entity made up of people. This idea that because the government does something now, it can't possibly be done any other way shows a limited line of thinking. People historically used this argument to justify many other forms of coercion once considered acceptable. It doesn't make sense then, and it doesn't make sense now.

em3rgent0rdr 10y ago

Using raverbashing's logic, it sounds like he is saying every American resident "consents" to everything that Bush/Obama has done and everything that Trump will do...

raverbashing 10y ago

> Are you are arguing that staying in a geographical area constitutes consent for whatever the state in control of it does? No I'm saying that without the government you wouldn't be making this comment on the internet, in English, or even have had a roof over your head.

sneak 10y ago
The humans that comprise the current US government had no part in any of those things. Nations are a way of making people proud of things that they did not do, and making people hate other people that they have never met.
- matt4077 10y ago
  Are you really denying that you're relying on the courts and police to – for example – protect your property?
  - meanduck 10y ago
    Yes I am. Police/Courts works because people are non-aggressive. And when you do get in trouble, Police/Courts should be last in your list of things that will help.
  - lacampbell 10y ago
    Have you lived in an area with high rates of theft before? I have (parts of New Zealand) and IME the police really don't care. I 100% do not rely on police or courts to protect my property - because they don't.
lacampbell 10y ago
I don't understand. Human beings are capable of performing many tasks without the state. Including building roads and infrastructure. The government is just an entity made up of people. This idea that because the government does something now, it can't possibly be done any other way shows a limited line of thinking. People historically used this argument to justify many other forms of coercion once considered acceptable. It doesn't make sense then, and it doesn't make sense now.