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I'd be interested to know what an animal could do to deserve to be beaten to preform tricks and then ferried around in small cages for human entertainment.

gnarbarian 10y ago
fairly certain they don't beat them anymore.
- marricks 10y ago
  Well certainly now that they're out of business. They did at least 8 years ago[1], though. Not sure how anyone could believe that they could make animals do unnatural tricks day in day out without coercion. I can see why someone would want to believe though. Tf you don't think about it, it'd probably be more enjoyable. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww8YQKpTu-4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww8YQKpTu-4
  - gnarbarian 10y ago
    >PETA Going to need a better source than a group who considers pets "animal enslavement"
    - marricks 10y ago
      If you're claiming there's context to the beating of the elephants in the video, I find that hard to believe. If you're claiming it's staged, pretty sure Ringling would have had a field day with that. A conversation is pretty much done when a side doesn't have anything reasonable to say and resorts to ad hominem attacks.
  - zeroer 10y ago
    Not that it's really relevant to any other animal, but you can train dogs using only love, positive reinforcement, and a stern voice. No physical punishment is necessary.
- dkersten 10y ago
  "fairly certain they don't beat them anymore." That sounds an awful lot like an opinion stated as fact.
- nommm-nommm 10y ago
  It's not possible to get an elephant to preform extremely unnatural tricks without beating it with a bullhook. If you don't believe they use them just look at pictures of the shows. The handlers are holding bullhook. Here's some pics - http://www.thedodo.com/the-one-simple-reason-you-shou-604357583.amp.html http://www.thedodo.com/the-one-simple-reason-you-shou-604357... In fact the main reason elephants were retired from Ringling Bros in the first place was because cities were making handling elephants using bullhooks illegal. That prevented Ringling Bros from ever preforming in certain cities again if they kept the elephant acts. More and more cities were joining on and then the entire state of California made handling elephants with bullhooks illegal. California, Population: 38.8 million. Ringling could have either given up California or given up the elephants, they picked California. Even if they weren't beaten with bullhooks, a circus environment doesn't come close to meeting an elephant's needs.

gnarbarian 10y ago

fairly certain they don't beat them anymore.

marricks 10y ago
Well certainly now that they're out of business. They did at least 8 years ago[1], though. Not sure how anyone could believe that they could make animals do unnatural tricks day in day out without coercion. I can see why someone would want to believe though. Tf you don't think about it, it'd probably be more enjoyable. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww8YQKpTu-4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww8YQKpTu-4
- gnarbarian 10y ago
  >PETA Going to need a better source than a group who considers pets "animal enslavement"
  - marricks 10y ago
    If you're claiming there's context to the beating of the elephants in the video, I find that hard to believe. If you're claiming it's staged, pretty sure Ringling would have had a field day with that. A conversation is pretty much done when a side doesn't have anything reasonable to say and resorts to ad hominem attacks.
- zeroer 10y ago
  Not that it's really relevant to any other animal, but you can train dogs using only love, positive reinforcement, and a stern voice. No physical punishment is necessary.
dkersten 10y ago
"fairly certain they don't beat them anymore." That sounds an awful lot like an opinion stated as fact.
nommm-nommm 10y ago
It's not possible to get an elephant to preform extremely unnatural tricks without beating it with a bullhook. If you don't believe they use them just look at pictures of the shows. The handlers are holding bullhook. Here's some pics - http://www.thedodo.com/the-one-simple-reason-you-shou-604357583.amp.html http://www.thedodo.com/the-one-simple-reason-you-shou-604357... In fact the main reason elephants were retired from Ringling Bros in the first place was because cities were making handling elephants using bullhooks illegal. That prevented Ringling Bros from ever preforming in certain cities again if they kept the elephant acts. More and more cities were joining on and then the entire state of California made handling elephants with bullhooks illegal. California, Population: 38.8 million. Ringling could have either given up California or given up the elephants, they picked California. Even if they weren't beaten with bullhooks, a circus environment doesn't come close to meeting an elephant's needs.