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I highly recommend using Cursive https://cursive-ide.com/ https://cursive-ide.com/ for editing. It's an excellent IDE with lots of great features. For as simple

by yogthos 10y ago

I highly recommend using Cursive https://cursive-ide.com/ https://cursive-ide.com/ for editing. It's an excellent IDE with lots of great features. For as simple editor Atom is a good choice as well http://yogthos.net/posts/2016-10-15-AtomWithLuminus.html http://yogthos.net/posts/2016-10-15-AtomWithLuminus.html I maintain Luminus http://www.luminusweb.net/docs http://www.luminusweb.net/docs specifically to make it easier for people to get started. For example, if you wanted to make a new web app with Clojure you could do: lein new luminus myapp cd myapp lein run That's all there is to it. I would recommend using Leiningen, just because it is more popular. If you're starting out, then you don't really need to change that much stuff in the project file aside from adding dependencies.

WillPostForFood 10y ago
But to my point about friction in Clojure tooling, you can't just download Cursive, run it, and try Clojure. You have to download and install Java, Leiningen, IntelliJ, get a Cursive license, then install the Cursive plug in, create a project configure a REPL (local or remote?). None of that is a big problem, but cumulatively, all these little points of friction deter beginners. And thank you for your work in the community. Luminus is great, and I Macchiato looks really nice as well.
- yogthos 10y ago
  Thanks, always good to hear these things are useful. As I pointed out in the original comment, you don't really have to use Cursive if you're starting out. Cursive is great for working on serious projects, but it's certainly not a requirement for trying Clojure. Aside from Atom, you also have Light Table, VS Code, Vim, Emacs, and Eclipse. Chances are a lot of people would be using at least one of these tools. As far as having to download the JVM and Leiningen, it's not really different than what you'd have to do for Python, Ruby, or Node.js. So, I don't think the situation for Clojure is really any worse than most languages. That said, I think that Nightcoders could remove any friction in starting with the language.
  - WillPostForFood 10y ago
    I think it is a little harder to set up (compare to Ruby and Python, which are preinstalled on Macs), plus throw in the functional concepts,Lisp syntax, and Java errors. Together it makes for a bunch of small initial pain points that I am certain causes some people to drop out, which is frustrating because Clojure is awesome. DrRacket might be a good comparison for a more similar language with an easier initial ramp up.

by yogthos 10y ago

WillPostForFood 10y ago

But to my point about friction in Clojure tooling, you can't just download Cursive, run it, and try Clojure. You have to download and install Java, Leiningen, IntelliJ, get a Cursive license, then install the Cursive plug in, create a project configure a REPL (local or remote?). None of that is a big problem, but cumulatively, all these little points of friction deter beginners. And thank you for your work in the community. Luminus is great, and I Macchiato looks really nice as well.

yogthos 10y ago
Thanks, always good to hear these things are useful. As I pointed out in the original comment, you don't really have to use Cursive if you're starting out. Cursive is great for working on serious projects, but it's certainly not a requirement for trying Clojure. Aside from Atom, you also have Light Table, VS Code, Vim, Emacs, and Eclipse. Chances are a lot of people would be using at least one of these tools. As far as having to download the JVM and Leiningen, it's not really different than what you'd have to do for Python, Ruby, or Node.js. So, I don't think the situation for Clojure is really any worse than most languages. That said, I think that Nightcoders could remove any friction in starting with the language.
- WillPostForFood 10y ago
  I think it is a little harder to set up (compare to Ruby and Python, which are preinstalled on Macs), plus throw in the functional concepts,Lisp syntax, and Java errors. Together it makes for a bunch of small initial pain points that I am certain causes some people to drop out, which is frustrating because Clojure is awesome. DrRacket might be a good comparison for a more similar language with an easier initial ramp up.