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I read this article when it was first published, and it was what first sparked my interest in the exchange side of the equities world. There's a lot of junk inf
by cturner 16y ago
I read this article when it was first published, and it was what first sparked my interest in the exchange side of the equities world. There's a lot of junk information on the internet on these topics, and as a result they're difficult to read up on. A common error I've seen is articles that imply that flash orders and high-frequency-trading are the same thing, which is incorrect.
"Automatic programs began issuing and canceling tiny
orders within milliseconds to determine how much the
slower traders were willing to pay
I originally understood this to mean that parties were 'painting the tape' by causing trades to appear with prices different to what the actual market price is. But that's not it.
In the scenario described, it's not trades that are being issued and cancelled, but orders. As in, an opportunity to trade if the other party matches.
I don't think it would be possible to coordinate a situation of sniffing out the best price as described here. Markets have queues, and if you want your order to be filled then you put it in the queue where it sits until you cancel it or it gets filled. It can only be filled when it's at the front of the queue. So participants in the market compete for queue spots at each price point from the moment the market opens.
That would be exchange dependent, but that just emphasises the point. If one exchange did this and another didn't then the exchange that didn't would get more business because their prices would be better.
A couple of years ago if you entered a limit order for
$26.40 with the market at $26.10 odds are excellent that
most of your order would have filled down near where the
market was when you entered the order - $26.10. Today,
odds are excellent that most of your order will fill at
$26.39, and the HFT firms will claim this is an
"efficient market."
Citation required? I don't see how this can be true. If the market is at 26.10, then there will be orders in the queue at price points around that. If the market is scared, then the spread will be wide, but that's to be expected and accounted for by the fear, not by conspiracy.
Despite all these problems, the criticism of the flash order culture looks sound. A flash data stream could give a party the ability to cancel stuff they have in the queue earlier than they otherwise would, and to get to the queue faster on new information. It seems wrong that there should be a certain type of information to be available only to certain parties. I think the major exchanges have stopped doing flash orders now though. There was a lot of press about the SEC reviewing it after this article last year.
- andrew1 16y agoI don't know if it's the case but if you paid a higher rate of commission/fees on flash orders then it might be the case that the general market is getting slightly worse prices but at the advantage of lower fees. Which could make it beneficial for general market participants. As I say though, I don't know if this is the case.
- yummyfajitas 16y agoFlash orders have lower commissions, and always give the best available price[1] to the buyer. The mechanics: best asking price is 10.0 on INET, 9.90 on ARCA. You place a buy order on INET. INET is obligated to route your order to ARCA (where the cheapest price is available) rather than filling it at 10.0 locally, and you get charged 9.90 + routing fee [2]. If INET flashes your order, it gives an HFT trader on INET the opportunity to fill your order at 9.90. In that case, you pay 9.90 for the trade and avoid the routing fee. [1] A better price may be available on a darkpool, but the exchange would not have routed your order to the darkpool since the exchange did not know about it. [2] There are flags you can set so that your order is canceled rather than routed.
- pheon 16y agoa very one sided article there and fails to mention the algos used by your broker to minimize information leakage of your trades... if their large enough. what gets me is the amount of money HFT market makes make off your trade is tiny compared to the fist full of cash your broker is taking from you..
- DannoHung 16y agoI'm not sure, but I think the logic for the latter is that by sending a straight limit order, you would consistently be moving the bid price up by continuing to fill the highest priced bid or filling the highest priced ask, up to the limit. Of course, this would be true even if there were no algo trading... so... I dunno! Oh, it's also worth noting that this is not an issue for the individual investor because most individuals buy stocks in very small blocks, usually less than the minimum increment size that shares trade at on the open exchanges. Larger, institutional investors use algorithms from their trading partners. I guess if you're a millionaire personal investor you're SOL though. But usually people with that much money have a Wealth Management firm to take care of their trading for them.