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Good to see most of the CEOs have come to their senses and are going to put the business before their political beliefs.

ryandamm 10y ago
Personally, I don't think that's "good." I remember fondly Tim Cook's response to an activist investor about why they support environmentally sound policies: "When we work on making our devices accessible by the blind, I don’t consider the bloody ROI,” Cook said, adding that the same sentiment applied to environmental and health and safety issues. [1] Personally, I think there's a higher system of value than corporate profits and share price. But that's a first principle argument. Conveniently, I happen to believe that purely shareholder-value-maximizing behavior rarely fails to build long term value, so I'm having my philosophical cake and eating it, too. But when push comes to shove, we do things for reasons beyond profit. It's pretty hollow otherwise. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/mar/03/tim-cook-climate-change-sceptics-ditch-apple-shares https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/mar/03/tim-cook...
- rampage101 10y ago
  Yea, maybe we can get more guys to go full retard like the GrubHub CEO lol... You got to be delusional to think Apple is helping the environment.
  - GFK_of_xmaspast 10y ago
    > full retard Stop that.
  - ryandamm 10y ago
    > You got to be delusional to think Please stop that, too. It's not an argument.
- RandomOpinion 10y ago
  Not to rain on your worldview or anything but I must point out that one of the requirements for being in upper management that's public facing is the ability to say just about anything with a straight face. ("Courage" anyone?) The fact that Tim Cook came up with a good (from a PR perspective) response doesn't say anything about the actual motivation.
PhasmaFelis 10y ago
You meant to say "...come to their senses and put my political beliefs before beliefs I don't like." Everyone likes to pretend that their politics are just common sense, while other people's politics are "ugh, politics." People are forever saying "politics have no place in [business/the office/the dinner table/this forum]" whenever someone disagrees with them, while continuing to happily spout off on their own politics.
- PretzelFisch 10y ago
  At this point in time people like to say politics don't belong at x. But they don't seem to realize that all our views and thoughts are wrapped around some political construct. It's just that often in the office/dinner table/this forum, we are so close in said political belief that it's not consciously noticed. But then some one disagrees with an argument and we see the politics bleed out.

ryandamm 10y ago

Personally, I don't think that's "good." I remember fondly Tim Cook's response to an activist investor about why they support environmentally sound policies: "When we work on making our devices accessible by the blind, I don’t consider the bloody ROI,” Cook said, adding that the same sentiment applied to environmental and health and safety issues. [1] Personally, I think there's a higher system of value than corporate profits and share price. But that's a first principle argument. Conveniently, I happen to believe that purely shareholder-value-maximizing behavior rarely fails to build long term value, so I'm having my philosophical cake and eating it, too. But when push comes to shove, we do things for reasons beyond profit. It's pretty hollow otherwise. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/mar/03/tim-cook-climate-change-sceptics-ditch-apple-shares https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/mar/03/tim-cook...

rampage101 10y ago
Yea, maybe we can get more guys to go full retard like the GrubHub CEO lol... You got to be delusional to think Apple is helping the environment.
- GFK_of_xmaspast 10y ago
  > full retard Stop that.
- ryandamm 10y ago
  > You got to be delusional to think Please stop that, too. It's not an argument.
RandomOpinion 10y ago
Not to rain on your worldview or anything but I must point out that one of the requirements for being in upper management that's public facing is the ability to say just about anything with a straight face. ("Courage" anyone?) The fact that Tim Cook came up with a good (from a PR perspective) response doesn't say anything about the actual motivation.

PhasmaFelis 10y ago

You meant to say "...come to their senses and put my political beliefs before beliefs I don't like." Everyone likes to pretend that their politics are just common sense, while other people's politics are "ugh, politics." People are forever saying "politics have no place in [business/the office/the dinner table/this forum]" whenever someone disagrees with them, while continuing to happily spout off on their own politics.

PretzelFisch 10y ago
At this point in time people like to say politics don't belong at x. But they don't seem to realize that all our views and thoughts are wrapped around some political construct. It's just that often in the office/dinner table/this forum, we are so close in said political belief that it's not consciously noticed. But then some one disagrees with an argument and we see the politics bleed out.