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There are many ways to corroborate evidence from 3rd party sources. It's done in courtrooms every single day. Take, for example, the leaked emails. They can

by Natsu 10y ago

There are many ways to corroborate evidence from 3rd party sources. It's done in courtrooms every single day. Take, for example, the leaked emails. They can be shown to have DKIM signatures which are signed by both Google & Hillary's email servers and these can be validated. Or in the physical world, you can show that people were in the right place in the right time. You can find multiple, named witnesses who have proof of being in the right place at the right time and other corroborating evidence. Sure, it will be disclaimed as being faked. But then you end up like Donna Brazille: - First you show her denying this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izl0e4xvgGA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izl0e4xvgGA - Now you show a DKIM validated email: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5205 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5205 - Now you show how to perform the validation: http://blog.erratasec.com/2016/10/yes-we-can-validate-wikileaks-emails.html?m=1 http://blog.erratasec.com/2016/10/yes-we-can-validate-wikile... At this point, they can deny however they like. It only makes them look more guilty.

nl 10y ago
Well it depends on the evidence, right? I'd imagine that the FSB has reasonable OpSec, and APT28 too.
- Natsu 10y ago
  Turn that around to see why there's always a weak link somewhere. I'd expect the NSA to have reasonable OpSec too, but there's Snowden. And they protect the US Secretary of State, too, but look at how hard Colin Powell made their job: https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/30324 https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/30324 It's in the PDF attached to that. There's always a weak link somewhere. When you have people like this in power, even the smartest spies can't protect them -- "Now, the real issue had to do with PDAs, as we called them a few years ago before BlackBerry became a noun. And the issue was DS would not allow them into the secure spaces, especially up your way. When I asked why not they gave me all kinds of nonsense about how they gave out signals that could be read by spies, etc. Same reason they tried to keep mobile phones out of the suite. I had numerous meetings with them. We even opened one up for them to try to explain to me why it was more dangerous than say, a remote control for one of the many tvs in the suite. Or something embedded in my shoe heel. They never satisfied me and NSA/CIA wouldn't back off. So, we just went about our business and stopped asking. I had an ancient version of a PDA and used it. In general, the suite was so sealed that it is hard to get signals in or out wirelessly."

by Natsu 10y ago

nl 10y ago

Well it depends on the evidence, right? I'd imagine that the FSB has reasonable OpSec, and APT28 too.

Natsu 10y ago
Turn that around to see why there's always a weak link somewhere. I'd expect the NSA to have reasonable OpSec too, but there's Snowden. And they protect the US Secretary of State, too, but look at how hard Colin Powell made their job: https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/30324 https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/30324 It's in the PDF attached to that. There's always a weak link somewhere. When you have people like this in power, even the smartest spies can't protect them -- "Now, the real issue had to do with PDAs, as we called them a few years ago before BlackBerry became a noun. And the issue was DS would not allow them into the secure spaces, especially up your way. When I asked why not they gave me all kinds of nonsense about how they gave out signals that could be read by spies, etc. Same reason they tried to keep mobile phones out of the suite. I had numerous meetings with them. We even opened one up for them to try to explain to me why it was more dangerous than say, a remote control for one of the many tvs in the suite. Or something embedded in my shoe heel. They never satisfied me and NSA/CIA wouldn't back off. So, we just went about our business and stopped asking. I had an ancient version of a PDA and used it. In general, the suite was so sealed that it is hard to get signals in or out wirelessly."