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> Gin is legal today, and it is not causing social collapse. Gin isn't legal the way it was back then. It's only sold in stores and places with liquor licenses

> Gin is legal today, and it is not causing social collapse. Gin isn't legal the way it was back then. It's only sold in stores and places with liquor licenses, it's heavily taxed, and there are all sorts of rules surrounding it. If in we had gin carts every twenty feet hawking it at kids and the homeless and it only cost a few cents per shot, I'm sure we'd have all the same problems.

justinlaster 10y ago
I literally have struggled to come up with an appropriate question that addresses the several different misconceptions about your statement, so I'll just go with this: what? How is anything you stated remotely analogous to what is in the article.
- Alex3917 10y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gin_Craze https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gin_Craze
  - justinlaster 10y ago
    That doesn't answer anything.
- deleted 10y ago
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haraldooo 10y ago
Over here in Europe (at least in Germany) you can buy as much Gin as you like in every supermarket - if you're over 18. I don't know if we have higher alcohol abuse numbers than countries with stricter laws but I doubt it. Does anyone have internationally comparable numbers? EDIT: forgot: it's very cheap. If I remember correctly, you can get a one litre bottle for < 10 EUR - certainly not the best there is but "good enough" to get drunk as f* - even with little or no money
- mark_edward 10y ago
  Children and youth is a key part of the GP, the younger you are addicted to something the worse off you are in terms of quitting and the more damage it's doing. Drugs with significant brain damage accompanying heavy use (like alcohol) are also going to double-fuck you by adding the bonus challenge of doing so with lower IQ, executive control, etc.
  - wavefunction 10y ago
    It takes a lot less gin as well, since kids have such a smaller body mass than adults.
- maxerickson 10y ago
  It's cheap in much of the US too. As little as $7 for a liter of 80 proof in my state (liquor regulation varies by state). A liter of Smirnoff is $17.
douche 10y ago
I wouldn't drink the stuff today, but in college I remember we were buying Mr Boston and Zhenka vodka for about $8 per 1.75l. That's pretty close to a few cents a shot. People did tend to look a little like Hogarths Gin Street on Saturday and Sunday mornings.
marknutter 10y ago
Alcoholism requires some sort of emotional trauma or personality disorder to be present in order to manifest itself. Alcoholics are self-medicating for mental issues that could be solved by therapy or other interventions. The availability of alcohol and other drugs is not the driving factor behind addiction.
- snsr 10y ago
  While you're correct about availability, the rest of your statement is absurdly reductive as well as incorrect.
imagist 10y ago
Speaking as a alcoholic with some sobriety, those laws were little more than a speed bump when I was drinking. I drank as both a child and a homeless guy with little problem. I'm not saying those laws shouldn't exist, but they serve as a source of revenue, not as something that protects the public.

justinlaster 10y ago

I literally have struggled to come up with an appropriate question that addresses the several different misconceptions about your statement, so I'll just go with this: what? How is anything you stated remotely analogous to what is in the article.

Alex3917 10y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gin_Craze https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gin_Craze
- justinlaster 10y ago
  That doesn't answer anything.
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haraldooo 10y ago

Over here in Europe (at least in Germany) you can buy as much Gin as you like in every supermarket - if you're over 18. I don't know if we have higher alcohol abuse numbers than countries with stricter laws but I doubt it. Does anyone have internationally comparable numbers? EDIT: forgot: it's very cheap. If I remember correctly, you can get a one litre bottle for < 10 EUR - certainly not the best there is but "good enough" to get drunk as f* - even with little or no money

mark_edward 10y ago
Children and youth is a key part of the GP, the younger you are addicted to something the worse off you are in terms of quitting and the more damage it's doing. Drugs with significant brain damage accompanying heavy use (like alcohol) are also going to double-fuck you by adding the bonus challenge of doing so with lower IQ, executive control, etc.
- wavefunction 10y ago
  It takes a lot less gin as well, since kids have such a smaller body mass than adults.
maxerickson 10y ago
It's cheap in much of the US too. As little as $7 for a liter of 80 proof in my state (liquor regulation varies by state). A liter of Smirnoff is $17.

douche 10y ago

I wouldn't drink the stuff today, but in college I remember we were buying Mr Boston and Zhenka vodka for about $8 per 1.75l. That's pretty close to a few cents a shot. People did tend to look a little like Hogarths Gin Street on Saturday and Sunday mornings.

marknutter 10y ago

Alcoholism requires some sort of emotional trauma or personality disorder to be present in order to manifest itself. Alcoholics are self-medicating for mental issues that could be solved by therapy or other interventions. The availability of alcohol and other drugs is not the driving factor behind addiction.

snsr 10y ago
While you're correct about availability, the rest of your statement is absurdly reductive as well as incorrect.

imagist 10y ago

Speaking as a alcoholic with some sobriety, those laws were little more than a speed bump when I was drinking. I drank as both a child and a homeless guy with little problem. I'm not saying those laws shouldn't exist, but they serve as a source of revenue, not as something that protects the public.