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Isn't 200k like the top 5% of household incomes in the US? I think 100k would put you in the top third of household income and that would just be the minimum.

by tdb7893 10y ago

sidlls 10y ago
Yes, but consider what the H1-B is meant for: an extremely highly skilled worker for which there is no local supply. It doesn't seem outlandish to me to put some metrics on that other than employers' (biased, suspect) word.
- tdb7893 10y ago
  Yeah but 200k is top 2% of individual income. 100k is already in about the top 10% of individual incomes. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a metric but to say that 200k should be the minimum because 100k just isn't enough strikes me a weird
  - sidlls 10y ago
    Why? The more skill required, the smaller the candidate pool, and the higher the wage. For these truly exceptional talents it does not seem at all weird to me that truly exceptional compensation is warranted. But that is just another way of stating the real problem here: the H1-B program isn't used to hire exceptional talent that cannot be found locally. It is currently used to hire rather typical talent at an exceptional discount.
    - tdb7893 10y ago
      Yeah large software companies can pay but I'm worried that 200k will put it out of reach for many fields and many organizations no matter how exceptional the applicants are.
- serge2k 10y ago
  > an extremely highly skilled worker for which there is no local supply People keep saying this. Where is that documented?
  - seanp2k2 10y ago
    http://www.h1base.com/visa/work/Information%20Obligations%20for%20H1B%20Employers%20Sponsors/ref/1172/ http://www.h1base.com/visa/work/Information%20Obligations%20... """ Recruitment efforts: The H1B dependent employer must also attest to making good faith attempts to recruit US workers and offering prevailing wages for this position. When hiring an H1B worker, it is important for employers to recognize the attendant responsibilities that they must shoulder. Although the requirements are not excessively burdensome, the employer is required to maintain some paperwork to demonstrate its compliance with the law. A clear understanding and fulfillment of these requirements will minimize possible civil penalties and ensure that the employer will be permitted to petition for future H1B workers """ http://www.h1base.com/content/h1bvisarequirements http://www.h1base.com/content/h1bvisarequirements """ The requirements to qualify for an H1B visa are: You must have ONE of the following 1) A Bachelor's degree or Masters Degree (or the foreign equivalent degree from your Country), OR 2) 12 years work experience, OR 3) A mix of further education + work experience The general H1B visa qualification rule is: - for every 1 year of studies at University / College = 3 points - for every 1 year of work experience = 1 point 12 points in 'total' are required to qualify for the H1B visa program """
    - serge2k 10y ago
      So "highly skilled" just means a bachelors degree in a specific set of fields. People seem to be implying that it requires skills well beyond that.
      - sidlls 10y ago
        It's not just the degree or experience requirement, it's the exclusivity factor. These aren't "typical" BS/BA holders. That's just a bare minimum and only one component of the requirement. Other pieces include a shortage (or even non-existence) of labor available for the job. This necessarily implies the target candidate has skills that aren't in supply domestically, and therefore is (more) "highly skilled" even than a Bachelor holder is.

Isn't 200k like the top 5% of household incomes in the US? I think 100k would put you in the top third of household income and that would just be the minimum.

by tdb7893 10y ago

Isn't 200k like the top 5% of household incomes in the US? I think 100k would put you in the top third of household income and that would just be the minimum.

sidlls 10y ago

Yes, but consider what the H1-B is meant for: an extremely highly skilled worker for which there is no local supply. It doesn't seem outlandish to me to put some metrics on that other than employers' (biased, suspect) word.

tdb7893 10y ago
Yeah but 200k is top 2% of individual income. 100k is already in about the top 10% of individual incomes. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a metric but to say that 200k should be the minimum because 100k just isn't enough strikes me a weird
- sidlls 10y ago
  Why? The more skill required, the smaller the candidate pool, and the higher the wage. For these truly exceptional talents it does not seem at all weird to me that truly exceptional compensation is warranted. But that is just another way of stating the real problem here: the H1-B program isn't used to hire exceptional talent that cannot be found locally. It is currently used to hire rather typical talent at an exceptional discount.
  - tdb7893 10y ago
    Yeah large software companies can pay but I'm worried that 200k will put it out of reach for many fields and many organizations no matter how exceptional the applicants are.
serge2k 10y ago
> an extremely highly skilled worker for which there is no local supply People keep saying this. Where is that documented?
- seanp2k2 10y ago
  http://www.h1base.com/visa/work/Information%20Obligations%20for%20H1B%20Employers%20Sponsors/ref/1172/ http://www.h1base.com/visa/work/Information%20Obligations%20... """ Recruitment efforts: The H1B dependent employer must also attest to making good faith attempts to recruit US workers and offering prevailing wages for this position. When hiring an H1B worker, it is important for employers to recognize the attendant responsibilities that they must shoulder. Although the requirements are not excessively burdensome, the employer is required to maintain some paperwork to demonstrate its compliance with the law. A clear understanding and fulfillment of these requirements will minimize possible civil penalties and ensure that the employer will be permitted to petition for future H1B workers """ http://www.h1base.com/content/h1bvisarequirements http://www.h1base.com/content/h1bvisarequirements """ The requirements to qualify for an H1B visa are: You must have ONE of the following 1) A Bachelor's degree or Masters Degree (or the foreign equivalent degree from your Country), OR 2) 12 years work experience, OR 3) A mix of further education + work experience The general H1B visa qualification rule is: - for every 1 year of studies at University / College = 3 points - for every 1 year of work experience = 1 point 12 points in 'total' are required to qualify for the H1B visa program """
  - serge2k 10y ago
    So "highly skilled" just means a bachelors degree in a specific set of fields. People seem to be implying that it requires skills well beyond that.
    - sidlls 10y ago
      It's not just the degree or experience requirement, it's the exclusivity factor. These aren't "typical" BS/BA holders. That's just a bare minimum and only one component of the requirement. Other pieces include a shortage (or even non-existence) of labor available for the job. This necessarily implies the target candidate has skills that aren't in supply domestically, and therefore is (more) "highly skilled" even than a Bachelor holder is.