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The eventual Facebook replacement will look nothing like Facebook in terms of functionality. I wouldn't give a penny to a startup/project that positioned themse

The eventual Facebook replacement will look nothing like Facebook in terms of functionality. I wouldn't give a penny to a startup/project that positioned themselves against Facebook like this. Any variation of an "Open Facebook" of some sort is bound to fail. Facebook's real problem is not user backlash from their privacy shortcomings, but the future of social networking in general. Some visionary will beat them to the future while they are busy milking the status quo. This is not visionary, sorry.

inferno0069 16y ago
There's a lot of things this project could do without replacing Facebook that I'd still consider successful. Four people thinking hard about making social networking better than Facebook for a summer could help "the eventual Facebook replacement" be better than it otherwise would be, even if this project itself doesn't turn into that replacement.
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jshen 16y ago
a distributed social graph is visionary if it can be done well.
- eru 16y ago
  We already have one. The `real' social graph is already distributed and embedded in your daily interactions.
  - Groxx 16y ago
    Yeah, but querying it is a pain. And you can't sanitize all input due to its distributed access, so you occasionally get "drop table <x>;" injections.
  - jshen 16y ago
    har har, with that attitude facebook will be the only player in town. I'd prefer a viable open alternative.
    - eru 16y ago
      Perhaps. But then, I do not use Facebook in the first place.
      - jshen 16y ago
        nor do I, but that doesn't change the rules of the network effect when most people do.
roamzero 16y ago
Google could leapfrog into the next "Facebook" by doing to VNC/Remote Desktop/Hosting what they did to email with gmail. Give everyone a usable remote pc (whose interface adjusts according to the device accessing it) , one with cloud capabilities and the ability to install web applications with a few clicks. If there will ever be a decentralized FB that works through the semantic web, each application will need to be hooked in and have the ability to spider and data-mine, and always-on cloud-based pc's are the answer to that. Open sourcing such a system should also go without saying, otherwise all the hosting companies out there would probably go out of business :)
mortenjorck 16y ago
I agree wholeheartedly. If they can build a solid platform, though, that can set the stage for a genuine breakthrough. I'd say the most important thing is to deal with the social flatland problem (which I explain here: http://interuserface.net/2010/02/buzz-facebook-and-social-flatland/ http://interuserface.net/2010/02/buzz-facebook-and-social-fl...), and then pretty much follow every suggestion Joey Tyson makes in this post: http://theharmonyguy.com/2010/05/10/dont-simply-build-a-more-open-facebook-build-a-better-one/ http://theharmonyguy.com/2010/05/10/dont-simply-build-a-more... . If that kind of advancement can be built into a well-engineered product with good UX, then we might really be looking at something that could start siphoning a bit of market share from Facebook.
- stcredzero 16y ago
  8. Value What Your Users Value This is the Craigslist secret sauce.
plesn 16y ago
That's not visionary only because that's what Facebook should have been from the beginning. All early internet protocols where distributed before the web became companies playground and Conway law followed. I think a visionary replacement will happen when something will just replace the cloud (which is too often a data ghetto) by giving users a way to easily and completely control their data and services, local as well as remote, in a homogeneous and synchronized way. A merge between the two approaches: "everything on the web" and "everything on your computer". Data (and metadata) and services being identities, media, documents, events, tags, access rights, version history, and links between all those things... So all this without giving all your data to google :)
- eru 16y ago
  Wuala could go into the right direction, with their cryptographic approach.
cilantro 16y ago
I couldn't disagree more. A federated network of world facing webservers goes far beyond what anyone is presently offering. This idea is older than facebook. I would love for someone to pull it off.
rivo 16y ago
Every other day, I get invited to join some "protest against Facebook's plans to introduce usage fees" group. I never got invited to a "protest against Facebook's privacy policies" group. (There may be such groups but none of my friends have ever mentioned it.) Maybe positioning a competitor as "guaranteed to always be free" could be a better plan (even when FB will likely always be free).
- hartror 16y ago
  Gah it is more annoying that getting invited to the apps! At least the apps are annoyingly viral for a reason!
JayNeely 16y ago
It's me who's framed them specifically as a Facebook replacement in this post, and certainly what they're doing is a reaction to Facebook's issues. But if you read their project description, it doesn't sound like what they're building only duplicates Facebook's functionality. They're talking about providing software to give you your own portable persistent data vault, that you can selectively allow other people & services to access, while keeping the ability to remove their access at any time. That's pretty cool, and it has the potential for a lot more uses than what Facebook is doing.
ytilibitapmoc 16y ago
Actually jfornear, yes it is visionary. To think otherwise means you have only skimmed their material. Based on their posts, they appear to be positioning themselves as a "Facebook Killer" solely to take advantage of the current backlash against Facebook (considering their current funding, I would say it's working). What they are attempting to create transcends anything we currently have; the closest you might come would be if you hosted a cryptographically secured peer-to-peer server only your friends could access (once you have that, now make it easily replicable and spread it across the net).

inferno0069 16y ago

There's a lot of things this project could do without replacing Facebook that I'd still consider successful. Four people thinking hard about making social networking better than Facebook for a summer could help "the eventual Facebook replacement" be better than it otherwise would be, even if this project itself doesn't turn into that replacement.

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jshen 16y ago

a distributed social graph is visionary if it can be done well.

eru 16y ago
We already have one. The `real' social graph is already distributed and embedded in your daily interactions.
- Groxx 16y ago
  Yeah, but querying it is a pain. And you can't sanitize all input due to its distributed access, so you occasionally get "drop table <x>;" injections.
- jshen 16y ago
  har har, with that attitude facebook will be the only player in town. I'd prefer a viable open alternative.
  - eru 16y ago
    Perhaps. But then, I do not use Facebook in the first place.
    - jshen 16y ago
      nor do I, but that doesn't change the rules of the network effect when most people do.

roamzero 16y ago

Google could leapfrog into the next "Facebook" by doing to VNC/Remote Desktop/Hosting what they did to email with gmail. Give everyone a usable remote pc (whose interface adjusts according to the device accessing it) , one with cloud capabilities and the ability to install web applications with a few clicks. If there will ever be a decentralized FB that works through the semantic web, each application will need to be hooked in and have the ability to spider and data-mine, and always-on cloud-based pc's are the answer to that. Open sourcing such a system should also go without saying, otherwise all the hosting companies out there would probably go out of business :)

mortenjorck 16y ago

I agree wholeheartedly. If they can build a solid platform, though, that can set the stage for a genuine breakthrough. I'd say the most important thing is to deal with the social flatland problem (which I explain here: http://interuserface.net/2010/02/buzz-facebook-and-social-flatland/ http://interuserface.net/2010/02/buzz-facebook-and-social-fl...), and then pretty much follow every suggestion Joey Tyson makes in this post: http://theharmonyguy.com/2010/05/10/dont-simply-build-a-more-open-facebook-build-a-better-one/ http://theharmonyguy.com/2010/05/10/dont-simply-build-a-more... . If that kind of advancement can be built into a well-engineered product with good UX, then we might really be looking at something that could start siphoning a bit of market share from Facebook.

stcredzero 16y ago
8. Value What Your Users Value This is the Craigslist secret sauce.

plesn 16y ago

That's not visionary only because that's what Facebook should have been from the beginning. All early internet protocols where distributed before the web became companies playground and Conway law followed. I think a visionary replacement will happen when something will just replace the cloud (which is too often a data ghetto) by giving users a way to easily and completely control their data and services, local as well as remote, in a homogeneous and synchronized way. A merge between the two approaches: "everything on the web" and "everything on your computer". Data (and metadata) and services being identities, media, documents, events, tags, access rights, version history, and links between all those things... So all this without giving all your data to google :)

eru 16y ago
Wuala could go into the right direction, with their cryptographic approach.

cilantro 16y ago

I couldn't disagree more. A federated network of world facing webservers goes far beyond what anyone is presently offering. This idea is older than facebook. I would love for someone to pull it off.

rivo 16y ago

Every other day, I get invited to join some "protest against Facebook's plans to introduce usage fees" group. I never got invited to a "protest against Facebook's privacy policies" group. (There may be such groups but none of my friends have ever mentioned it.) Maybe positioning a competitor as "guaranteed to always be free" could be a better plan (even when FB will likely always be free).

hartror 16y ago
Gah it is more annoying that getting invited to the apps! At least the apps are annoyingly viral for a reason!

JayNeely 16y ago

It's me who's framed them specifically as a Facebook replacement in this post, and certainly what they're doing is a reaction to Facebook's issues. But if you read their project description, it doesn't sound like what they're building only duplicates Facebook's functionality. They're talking about providing software to give you your own portable persistent data vault, that you can selectively allow other people & services to access, while keeping the ability to remove their access at any time. That's pretty cool, and it has the potential for a lot more uses than what Facebook is doing.

ytilibitapmoc 16y ago

Actually jfornear, yes it is visionary. To think otherwise means you have only skimmed their material. Based on their posts, they appear to be positioning themselves as a "Facebook Killer" solely to take advantage of the current backlash against Facebook (considering their current funding, I would say it's working). What they are attempting to create transcends anything we currently have; the closest you might come would be if you hosted a cryptographically secured peer-to-peer server only your friends could access (once you have that, now make it easily replicable and spread it across the net).