> If the guys had said Why would they have said that, even if it were true? What's the upside for them? I agree the net result is the same whether they were

> If the guys had said Why would they have said that, even if it were true? What's the upside for them? I agree the net result is the same whether they were honest or not, of course, which is again why there was no upside for them to say that if it were true.